Whats the Difference??

[Guest Seidell23231]

RAID 0 Questions:

1. What reading do you recommend regarding RAID 0? I want to get fully

locked in on the RAID world and to do this, I need some sources (Reading

wise).

2A. This is a little difficult to explain, but here we go. My PC has RAID

0 & 1 ability. The software side "Intel Matrix Storage Console". The

paperwork that came with the system states this method to use (Obviously at

this point the OS and drivers and all software is already installed).

However, when I use this method, I do NOT get the HD's combined (Viewing that

is) in my Computer screen or the Computer Management area), but the Intel

Matrix Storage Console shows and states they are combined. **This deletes

everything from the RAID drives!

2B. When I boot up my PC the RAID controller displays that status of the

RAID and all pertinent information. Now if I "DELETE" the RAID created in

step 2A and then save and exit and do another Reboot and enter the RAID

controller area and CREATE a RAID 0, save and exit. I am than prompted to

insert a system disk. I than insert disk 1 of the recovery disks. Once all

loaded and finally reach the desktop, ALL drives are ONE drive. NO where is

there any reference of the 2nd disk! So this is how it is suppose to look

from what I have learned here. Everything works, system is snappier;

HOWEVER, I start getting the BSOD! Where I never got them before I am now!

The only deduction I can summorize from this is tha the OS is Striped,

opposed to being on 1 HD in one specific place as in 2A above.

 

I need some thoughts on this and maybe some helpfull pointers on how to

overcome the obstacles as stated in the above questions.

 

Thanks in Advance!! ~~~~ Joey

[Guest Seidell23231]

RE: Whats the Difference??

 

I forgot to mention which RAID Controller (Hardware) is in use. It is:

 

Intel ICH8R/ICG9R SATA RAID Controller

 

Is this a good Controller? Not that I can do anything about it, since it is

probably built in to the MotherBoard (ASUS Benica)..

 

Joey

 

 

 

"Seidell23231" wrote:

> RAID 0 Questions:

> 1. What reading do you recommend regarding RAID 0? I want to get fully

> locked in on the RAID world and to do this, I need some sources (Reading

> wise).

> 2A. This is a little difficult to explain, but here we go. My PC has RAID

> 0 & 1 ability. The software side "Intel Matrix Storage Console". The

> paperwork that came with the system states this method to use (Obviously at

> this point the OS and drivers and all software is already installed).

> However, when I use this method, I do NOT get the HD's combined (Viewing that

> is) in my Computer screen or the Computer Management area), but the Intel

> Matrix Storage Console shows and states they are combined. **This deletes

> everything from the RAID drives!

> 2B. When I boot up my PC the RAID controller displays that status of the

> RAID and all pertinent information. Now if I "DELETE" the RAID created in

> step 2A and then save and exit and do another Reboot and enter the RAID

> controller area and CREATE a RAID 0, save and exit. I am than prompted to

> insert a system disk. I than insert disk 1 of the recovery disks. Once all

> loaded and finally reach the desktop, ALL drives are ONE drive. NO where is

> there any reference of the 2nd disk! So this is how it is suppose to look

> from what I have learned here. Everything works, system is snappier;

> HOWEVER, I start getting the BSOD! Where I never got them before I am now!

> The only deduction I can summorize from this is tha the OS is Striped,

> opposed to being on 1 HD in one specific place as in 2A above.

>

> I need some thoughts on this and maybe some helpfull pointers on how to

> overcome the obstacles as stated in the above questions.

>

> Thanks in Advance!! ~~~~ Joey

[Guest Carlos]

RE: Whats the Difference??

 

First things first.

Are you using the latest Intel Matrix Storage Manager?

Latest version for Vista x64 can be found here:

 

http://downloadcenter.intel.com/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=2101&OSFullName=Windows+Vista*+64&lang=eng&strOSs=150&submit=Go%21

 

The one you need is "RAID/AHCI Software - Intel® Matrix Storage Manager

(5615KB)", version 7.8.0.1012 dated 11/9/2007.

 

This is the readme:

http://downloadmirror.intel.com/14848/ENG/readme.txt

Which includes a tutorial for installation, and these are the release notes:

http://downloadmirror.intel.com/14848/ENG/releasenotes.htm

 

There's a BSOD corrected in this release but I don't know if it applies to

your system or not.

:)

Carlos

 

 

 

"Seidell23231" wrote:

> RAID 0 Questions:

> 1. What reading do you recommend regarding RAID 0? I want to get fully

> locked in on the RAID world and to do this, I need some sources (Reading

> wise).

> 2A. This is a little difficult to explain, but here we go. My PC has RAID

> 0 & 1 ability. The software side "Intel Matrix Storage Console". The

> paperwork that came with the system states this method to use (Obviously at

> this point the OS and drivers and all software is already installed).

> However, when I use this method, I do NOT get the HD's combined (Viewing that

> is) in my Computer screen or the Computer Management area), but the Intel

> Matrix Storage Console shows and states they are combined. **This deletes

> everything from the RAID drives!

> 2B. When I boot up my PC the RAID controller displays that status of the

> RAID and all pertinent information. Now if I "DELETE" the RAID created in

> step 2A and then save and exit and do another Reboot and enter the RAID

> controller area and CREATE a RAID 0, save and exit. I am than prompted to

> insert a system disk. I than insert disk 1 of the recovery disks. Once all

> loaded and finally reach the desktop, ALL drives are ONE drive. NO where is

> there any reference of the 2nd disk! So this is how it is suppose to look

> from what I have learned here. Everything works, system is snappier;

> HOWEVER, I start getting the BSOD! Where I never got them before I am now!

> The only deduction I can summorize from this is tha the OS is Striped,

> opposed to being on 1 HD in one specific place as in 2A above.

>

> I need some thoughts on this and maybe some helpfull pointers on how to

> overcome the obstacles as stated in the above questions.

>

> Thanks in Advance!! ~~~~ Joey

[Guest Seidell23231]

RE: Whats the Difference??

 

Hi Carlos,

 

Yes, I just downloaded it and installed it. It was not in use prior to now.

I was using 7.6, which is what the PC came with. Part 2 is where it gets a

little hairy... Waiting for you on that!

 

Joey

 

"Carlos" wrote:

> First things first.

> Are you using the latest Intel Matrix Storage Manager?

> Latest version for Vista x64 can be found here:

>

> http://downloadcenter.intel.com/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=2101&OSFullName=Windows+Vista*+64&lang=eng&strOSs=150&submit=Go%21

>

> The one you need is "RAID/AHCI Software - Intel® Matrix Storage Manager

> (5615KB)", version 7.8.0.1012 dated 11/9/2007.

>

> This is the readme:

> http://downloadmirror.intel.com/14848/ENG/readme.txt

> Which includes a tutorial for installation, and these are the release notes:

> http://downloadmirror.intel.com/14848/ENG/releasenotes.htm

>

> There's a BSOD corrected in this release but I don't know if it applies to

> your system or not.

> :)

> Carlos

>

>

>

> "Seidell23231" wrote:

>

> > RAID 0 Questions:

> > 1. What reading do you recommend regarding RAID 0? I want to get fully

> > locked in on the RAID world and to do this, I need some sources (Reading

> > wise).

> > 2A. This is a little difficult to explain, but here we go. My PC has RAID

> > 0 & 1 ability. The software side "Intel Matrix Storage Console". The

> > paperwork that came with the system states this method to use (Obviously at

> > this point the OS and drivers and all software is already installed).

> > However, when I use this method, I do NOT get the HD's combined (Viewing that

> > is) in my Computer screen or the Computer Management area), but the Intel

> > Matrix Storage Console shows and states they are combined. **This deletes

> > everything from the RAID drives!

> > 2B. When I boot up my PC the RAID controller displays that status of the

> > RAID and all pertinent information. Now if I "DELETE" the RAID created in

> > step 2A and then save and exit and do another Reboot and enter the RAID

> > controller area and CREATE a RAID 0, save and exit. I am than prompted to

> > insert a system disk. I than insert disk 1 of the recovery disks. Once all

> > loaded and finally reach the desktop, ALL drives are ONE drive. NO where is

> > there any reference of the 2nd disk! So this is how it is suppose to look

> > from what I have learned here. Everything works, system is snappier;

> > HOWEVER, I start getting the BSOD! Where I never got them before I am now!

> > The only deduction I can summorize from this is tha the OS is Striped,

> > opposed to being on 1 HD in one specific place as in 2A above.

> >

> > I need some thoughts on this and maybe some helpfull pointers on how to

> > overcome the obstacles as stated in the above questions.

> >

> > Thanks in Advance!! ~~~~ Joey

[Guest Carlos]

RE: Whats the Difference??

 

Hi,

So you are now up to date with the latest 7.8's, right?

What happened with the BSOD's, did they go away?

What is, in a nutshell, your question # 2?

I couldn't follow the lengthy explanation quite well.

Do you need an advice to choose between RAID0 and RAID1?

 

Carlos

 

"Seidell23231" wrote:

> Hi Carlos,

>

> Yes, I just downloaded it and installed it. It was not in use prior to now.

> I was using 7.6, which is what the PC came with. Part 2 is where it gets a

> little hairy... Waiting for you on that!

>

> Joey

>

> "Carlos" wrote:

>

> > First things first.

> > Are you using the latest Intel Matrix Storage Manager?

> > Latest version for Vista x64 can be found here:

> >

> > http://downloadcenter.intel.com/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=2101&OSFullName=Windows+Vista*+64&lang=eng&strOSs=150&submit=Go%21

> >

> > The one you need is "RAID/AHCI Software - Intel® Matrix Storage Manager

> > (5615KB)", version 7.8.0.1012 dated 11/9/2007.

> >

> > This is the readme:

> > http://downloadmirror.intel.com/14848/ENG/readme.txt

> > Which includes a tutorial for installation, and these are the release notes:

> > http://downloadmirror.intel.com/14848/ENG/releasenotes.htm

> >

> > There's a BSOD corrected in this release but I don't know if it applies to

> > your system or not.

> > :)

> > Carlos

> >

> >

> >

> > "Seidell23231" wrote:

> >

> > > RAID 0 Questions:

> > > 1. What reading do you recommend regarding RAID 0? I want to get fully

> > > locked in on the RAID world and to do this, I need some sources (Reading

> > > wise).

> > > 2A. This is a little difficult to explain, but here we go. My PC has RAID

> > > 0 & 1 ability. The software side "Intel Matrix Storage Console". The

> > > paperwork that came with the system states this method to use (Obviously at

> > > this point the OS and drivers and all software is already installed).

> > > However, when I use this method, I do NOT get the HD's combined (Viewing that

> > > is) in my Computer screen or the Computer Management area), but the Intel

> > > Matrix Storage Console shows and states they are combined. **This deletes

> > > everything from the RAID drives!

> > > 2B. When I boot up my PC the RAID controller displays that status of the

> > > RAID and all pertinent information. Now if I "DELETE" the RAID created in

> > > step 2A and then save and exit and do another Reboot and enter the RAID

> > > controller area and CREATE a RAID 0, save and exit. I am than prompted to

> > > insert a system disk. I than insert disk 1 of the recovery disks. Once all

> > > loaded and finally reach the desktop, ALL drives are ONE drive. NO where is

> > > there any reference of the 2nd disk! So this is how it is suppose to look

> > > from what I have learned here. Everything works, system is snappier;

> > > HOWEVER, I start getting the BSOD! Where I never got them before I am now!

> > > The only deduction I can summorize from this is tha the OS is Striped,

> > > opposed to being on 1 HD in one specific place as in 2A above.

> > >

> > > I need some thoughts on this and maybe some helpfull pointers on how to

> > > overcome the obstacles as stated in the above questions.

> > >

> > > Thanks in Advance!! ~~~~ Joey

[Guest Tony Sperling]

Re: Whats the Difference??

 

I am not quite sure of your current status - I will go through the

philosophy. . .

 

First principle:

 

You define a RAID set as a completely new set of HD's with nothing on them,

this is done in the RAID chip's BIOS or the expansion card's BIOS, if you

then supply the correct drivers that is compatible with and supported by

your OS during the installation of the OS your RAID set will be recognized

by that OS's installer.

 

This is where I become uncertain - if you try and convert an installed

non-RAID system to a RAID set, then you are going to fail, because

configuring the RAID will definitely delete all data on all the disks that

are being configured as belonging to the RAID.

 

If you are trying to install an OS to a RAID set that is allready configured

and has an installed system that is up and running you do not touch that

RAID configuration at all! The only requirement is that you supply the

driver to the installer that the other OS expects in order to recognize the

RAID. The fact that you have configured a RAID and has installed one system

on to that RAID will not let another OS that you are trying to install onto

that same RAID be recognized by the second installer and using the other

system's driver!

 

You have to supply the driver every time. This mean that you can install a

Windows system on the RAID and if you have the space you can install a Linux

system next to it, and each one can be 32bit or 64bit as you wish if you

just make sure that you supply the correct driver for each system and for

each new installation, in order for the installer to know there is HD space

that it can use! The installer doesn't know about RAIDs, it just know about

HD's and the driver makes the RAID visible to the installer and later to the

OS as well.

 

The IDE specification and SCSI and all other specifications have precise

definitions of how data is written to and read from each of these types of

disks. RAID has no knowledge of IDE or SCSI or anything else except it's own

RAID definition. Nothing else in the known universe knows anything about

RAID except the RAID and this is why you have to supply the correct driver

each time.

 

You may already know all this - I just think it is important that you don't

f*ck anything up for yourself at this point, because of a simple

misconception!

 

 

Tony. . .

 

 

 

 

"Seidell23231" <Seidell23231@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:84CD4939-F7E5-4B02-8DE0-4559FC917D58@microsoft.com...

> RAID 0 Questions:

> 1. What reading do you recommend regarding RAID 0? I want to get fully

> locked in on the RAID world and to do this, I need some sources (Reading

> wise).

> 2A. This is a little difficult to explain, but here we go. My PC has

RAID

> 0 & 1 ability. The software side "Intel Matrix Storage Console". The

> paperwork that came with the system states this method to use (Obviously

at

> this point the OS and drivers and all software is already installed).

> However, when I use this method, I do NOT get the HD's combined (Viewing

that

> is) in my Computer screen or the Computer Management area), but the Intel

> Matrix Storage Console shows and states they are combined. **This deletes

> everything from the RAID drives!

> 2B. When I boot up my PC the RAID controller displays that status of the

> RAID and all pertinent information. Now if I "DELETE" the RAID created in

> step 2A and then save and exit and do another Reboot and enter the RAID

> controller area and CREATE a RAID 0, save and exit. I am than prompted to

> insert a system disk. I than insert disk 1 of the recovery disks. Once

all

> loaded and finally reach the desktop, ALL drives are ONE drive. NO where

is

> there any reference of the 2nd disk! So this is how it is suppose to look

> from what I have learned here. Everything works, system is snappier;

> HOWEVER, I start getting the BSOD! Where I never got them before I am

now!

> The only deduction I can summorize from this is tha the OS is Striped,

> opposed to being on 1 HD in one specific place as in 2A above.

>

> I need some thoughts on this and maybe some helpfull pointers on how to

> overcome the obstacles as stated in the above questions.

>

> Thanks in Advance!! ~~~~ Joey

[Guest Seidell23231]

RE: Whats the Difference??

 

The RAID 0 Migration is still underway, so no update on BSOD yet. Before I

give an update for 2, let me see what happens with the new upgrade to 7.8...

Stay tuned.......

 

"Carlos" wrote:

> Hi,

> So you are now up to date with the latest 7.8's, right?

> What happened with the BSOD's, did they go away?

> What is, in a nutshell, your question # 2?

> I couldn't follow the lengthy explanation quite well.

> Do you need an advice to choose between RAID0 and RAID1?

>

> Carlos

>

> "Seidell23231" wrote:

>

> > Hi Carlos,

> >

> > Yes, I just downloaded it and installed it. It was not in use prior to now.

> > I was using 7.6, which is what the PC came with. Part 2 is where it gets a

> > little hairy... Waiting for you on that!

> >

> > Joey

> >

> > "Carlos" wrote:

> >

> > > First things first.

> > > Are you using the latest Intel Matrix Storage Manager?

> > > Latest version for Vista x64 can be found here:

> > >

> > > http://downloadcenter.intel.com/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=2101&OSFullName=Windows+Vista*+64&lang=eng&strOSs=150&submit=Go%21

> > >

> > > The one you need is "RAID/AHCI Software - Intel® Matrix Storage Manager

> > > (5615KB)", version 7.8.0.1012 dated 11/9/2007.

> > >

> > > This is the readme:

> > > http://downloadmirror.intel.com/14848/ENG/readme.txt

> > > Which includes a tutorial for installation, and these are the release notes:

> > > http://downloadmirror.intel.com/14848/ENG/releasenotes.htm

> > >

> > > There's a BSOD corrected in this release but I don't know if it applies to

> > > your system or not.

> > > :)

> > > Carlos

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > "Seidell23231" wrote:

> > >

> > > > RAID 0 Questions:

> > > > 1. What reading do you recommend regarding RAID 0? I want to get fully

> > > > locked in on the RAID world and to do this, I need some sources (Reading

> > > > wise).

> > > > 2A. This is a little difficult to explain, but here we go. My PC has RAID

> > > > 0 & 1 ability. The software side "Intel Matrix Storage Console". The

> > > > paperwork that came with the system states this method to use (Obviously at

> > > > this point the OS and drivers and all software is already installed).

> > > > However, when I use this method, I do NOT get the HD's combined (Viewing that

> > > > is) in my Computer screen or the Computer Management area), but the Intel

> > > > Matrix Storage Console shows and states they are combined. **This deletes

> > > > everything from the RAID drives!

> > > > 2B. When I boot up my PC the RAID controller displays that status of the

> > > > RAID and all pertinent information. Now if I "DELETE" the RAID created in

> > > > step 2A and then save and exit and do another Reboot and enter the RAID

> > > > controller area and CREATE a RAID 0, save and exit. I am than prompted to

> > > > insert a system disk. I than insert disk 1 of the recovery disks. Once all

> > > > loaded and finally reach the desktop, ALL drives are ONE drive. NO where is

> > > > there any reference of the 2nd disk! So this is how it is suppose to look

> > > > from what I have learned here. Everything works, system is snappier;

> > > > HOWEVER, I start getting the BSOD! Where I never got them before I am now!

> > > > The only deduction I can summorize from this is tha the OS is Striped,

> > > > opposed to being on 1 HD in one specific place as in 2A above.

> > > >

> > > > I need some thoughts on this and maybe some helpfull pointers on how to

> > > > overcome the obstacles as stated in the above questions.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks in Advance!! ~~~~ Joey

[Guest Seidell23231]

Re: Whats the Difference??

 

Hi Tony,

 

Thanks for the info! Here is where I am currently at. When I bought my new

PC I received these directions for the RAID:

 

Setting Up RAID Configuration Using Intel Matrix Storage Technology:

The hard disk drives installed in your computer are already set up and

working. Converting the hard disk drives to an Intel RAID mode offers

enhanced performance depending on the way you use your computer. This

document applies to HP desktop computers using Intel Matrix Storage

Technology and RAID controllers in MS Vista and describes the following:

** Intel RAID Technology (Updated the software from v 7.6 to 7.8)

** Choosing a RAID config

** Configuring computer from RAID Ready to RAID 0

** Post RAID 0 migration procedure

Intel RAID Technology discussed. Choosing a RAID Configuration is discussed.

 

Configuring Computer from RAID Ready to RAID 0:

1. Click Windows Start Button, All Programs, Intel Matrix Storage Manager,

and then right-click Intel Matrix Storage Console (Run as Administrator).

2. Click Improve Storage Performance with RAID 0.

3. Click Create a RAID 0 Volume.

4. When the confirmation appears, click Yes to start the migration process.

A Migration Status Bar Appears.

5. Once RAID migration is complete, a dialog appears, click to Restart.

 

Post RAID 0 Migration Procedure:

After migrating a system from RAID Ready to RAID 0, the RAID volume contains

the combined capacity of all the HD Drives, but the migrated partition leaves

unformatted space at the end of the RAID volume. To use this space, use

Windows Vista Disk Management to create another partition following these

steps:

1. Open Disk Management (Short version).

2, Right click the Unallocated space and click New Simple Volume.

3. Follow the prompts to create the New Volume.

 

That is the step by step directions that came with the HP PC for the RAID.

That is the procedure I just got done doing. I will report back on how it

eneded up.. Joey

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

"Tony Sperling" wrote:

> I am not quite sure of your current status - I will go through the

> philosophy. . .

>

> First principle:

>

> You define a RAID set as a completely new set of HD's with nothing on them,

> this is done in the RAID chip's BIOS or the expansion card's BIOS, if you

> then supply the correct drivers that is compatible with and supported by

> your OS during the installation of the OS your RAID set will be recognized

> by that OS's installer.

>

> This is where I become uncertain - if you try and convert an installed

> non-RAID system to a RAID set, then you are going to fail, because

> configuring the RAID will definitely delete all data on all the disks that

> are being configured as belonging to the RAID.

>

> If you are trying to install an OS to a RAID set that is allready configured

> and has an installed system that is up and running you do not touch that

> RAID configuration at all! The only requirement is that you supply the

> driver to the installer that the other OS expects in order to recognize the

> RAID. The fact that you have configured a RAID and has installed one system

> on to that RAID will not let another OS that you are trying to install onto

> that same RAID be recognized by the second installer and using the other

> system's driver!

>

> You have to supply the driver every time. This mean that you can install a

> Windows system on the RAID and if you have the space you can install a Linux

> system next to it, and each one can be 32bit or 64bit as you wish if you

> just make sure that you supply the correct driver for each system and for

> each new installation, in order for the installer to know there is HD space

> that it can use! The installer doesn't know about RAIDs, it just know about

> HD's and the driver makes the RAID visible to the installer and later to the

> OS as well.

>

> The IDE specification and SCSI and all other specifications have precise

> definitions of how data is written to and read from each of these types of

> disks. RAID has no knowledge of IDE or SCSI or anything else except it's own

> RAID definition. Nothing else in the known universe knows anything about

> RAID except the RAID and this is why you have to supply the correct driver

> each time.

>

> You may already know all this - I just think it is important that you don't

> f*ck anything up for yourself at this point, because of a simple

> misconception!

>

>

> Tony. . .

>

>

>

>

> "Seidell23231" <Seidell23231@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:84CD4939-F7E5-4B02-8DE0-4559FC917D58@microsoft.com...

> > RAID 0 Questions:

> > 1. What reading do you recommend regarding RAID 0? I want to get fully

> > locked in on the RAID world and to do this, I need some sources (Reading

> > wise).

> > 2A. This is a little difficult to explain, but here we go. My PC has

> RAID

> > 0 & 1 ability. The software side "Intel Matrix Storage Console". The

> > paperwork that came with the system states this method to use (Obviously

> at

> > this point the OS and drivers and all software is already installed).

> > However, when I use this method, I do NOT get the HD's combined (Viewing

> that

> > is) in my Computer screen or the Computer Management area), but the Intel

> > Matrix Storage Console shows and states they are combined. **This deletes

> > everything from the RAID drives!

> > 2B. When I boot up my PC the RAID controller displays that status of the

> > RAID and all pertinent information. Now if I "DELETE" the RAID created in

> > step 2A and then save and exit and do another Reboot and enter the RAID

> > controller area and CREATE a RAID 0, save and exit. I am than prompted to

> > insert a system disk. I than insert disk 1 of the recovery disks. Once

> all

> > loaded and finally reach the desktop, ALL drives are ONE drive. NO where

> is

> > there any reference of the 2nd disk! So this is how it is suppose to look

> > from what I have learned here. Everything works, system is snappier;

> > HOWEVER, I start getting the BSOD! Where I never got them before I am

> now!

> > The only deduction I can summorize from this is tha the OS is Striped,

> > opposed to being on 1 HD in one specific place as in 2A above.

> >

> > I need some thoughts on this and maybe some helpfull pointers on how to

> > overcome the obstacles as stated in the above questions.

> >

> > Thanks in Advance!! ~~~~ Joey

>

>

>

[Guest Seidell23231]

Re: Whats the Difference??

 

Tony & Carlos,

 

OK, here are the results thus far and the problem, if there is one. The

RAID is down and when I boot up the system it displays the RAID Controller

and it reports all ok. When I get into the desktop, I went into "Computer"

to see if it was still listing each drive as seperate. It is! I then went

to Disk Management. It has both drives in the Disk 0 slot and the size

showing is the combination of both. But they are showing as seperate blocks

of space in Disk 0.

 

The only problem I see at this stage is what the "Computer" is displaying.

It should have just one block with both combined, RIGHT?

 

Now here is where the BIG difference comes in. If I disregard the

instructions that came with the system, as described in my prior message and

do it manually, I get a different story. Explaination = I reboot the PC.

When the RAID Controller screen displays, I press ctl+I and enter the RAID

Controller menu. Next I Delete the RAID and ALL data. I Reboot and when the

RAID Controlle display appears I enter the Controller. This time I Create a

RAID 0. Again, Reboot and insert Disk 1 of the Recovery Disks. The System

goes through the paces as a recovery and loads all data showing Fresh from

the Factory. The PC Reboots, the RAID Controller displays the RAID 0 and I

reach the Desktop. When I enter the "Computer" only 1 HD id displayed. NO

mention or indication of a second. I now go into Disk Management, Disk 0

shows the combined drives, but there is NO block indicating a second drive

ever existed. Everything looks as it should, drive wise that is.

 

However, I was getting a lot of BSOD with this method. Most referencing

show to do with a POINTER and than does a dump! I have not tried this method

since upgrading to 7.8, so not sure if BSOD are still an issue?

 

My QUESTION at this point is this.... I have followed the Directions as per

HP and built the RAID. So why is there a HD issue, meaning why is the second

drive showing in "Computer" and partially in Disk Management. Can someone

explain that parrt and is it an issue or not?????

 

Thanks! Joey

 

 

 

"Tony Sperling" wrote:

> I am not quite sure of your current status - I will go through the

> philosophy. . .

>

> First principle:

>

> You define a RAID set as a completely new set of HD's with nothing on them,

> this is done in the RAID chip's BIOS or the expansion card's BIOS, if you

> then supply the correct drivers that is compatible with and supported by

> your OS during the installation of the OS your RAID set will be recognized

> by that OS's installer.

>

> This is where I become uncertain - if you try and convert an installed

> non-RAID system to a RAID set, then you are going to fail, because

> configuring the RAID will definitely delete all data on all the disks that

> are being configured as belonging to the RAID.

>

> If you are trying to install an OS to a RAID set that is allready configured

> and has an installed system that is up and running you do not touch that

> RAID configuration at all! The only requirement is that you supply the

> driver to the installer that the other OS expects in order to recognize the

> RAID. The fact that you have configured a RAID and has installed one system

> on to that RAID will not let another OS that you are trying to install onto

> that same RAID be recognized by the second installer and using the other

> system's driver!

>

> You have to supply the driver every time. This mean that you can install a

> Windows system on the RAID and if you have the space you can install a Linux

> system next to it, and each one can be 32bit or 64bit as you wish if you

> just make sure that you supply the correct driver for each system and for

> each new installation, in order for the installer to know there is HD space

> that it can use! The installer doesn't know about RAIDs, it just know about

> HD's and the driver makes the RAID visible to the installer and later to the

> OS as well.

>

> The IDE specification and SCSI and all other specifications have precise

> definitions of how data is written to and read from each of these types of

> disks. RAID has no knowledge of IDE or SCSI or anything else except it's own

> RAID definition. Nothing else in the known universe knows anything about

> RAID except the RAID and this is why you have to supply the correct driver

> each time.

>

> You may already know all this - I just think it is important that you don't

> f*ck anything up for yourself at this point, because of a simple

> misconception!

>

>

> Tony. . .

>

>

>

>

> "Seidell23231" <Seidell23231@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:84CD4939-F7E5-4B02-8DE0-4559FC917D58@microsoft.com...

> > RAID 0 Questions:

> > 1. What reading do you recommend regarding RAID 0? I want to get fully

> > locked in on the RAID world and to do this, I need some sources (Reading

> > wise).

> > 2A. This is a little difficult to explain, but here we go. My PC has

> RAID

> > 0 & 1 ability. The software side "Intel Matrix Storage Console". The

> > paperwork that came with the system states this method to use (Obviously

> at

> > this point the OS and drivers and all software is already installed).

> > However, when I use this method, I do NOT get the HD's combined (Viewing

> that

> > is) in my Computer screen or the Computer Management area), but the Intel

> > Matrix Storage Console shows and states they are combined. **This deletes

> > everything from the RAID drives!

> > 2B. When I boot up my PC the RAID controller displays that status of the

> > RAID and all pertinent information. Now if I "DELETE" the RAID created in

> > step 2A and then save and exit and do another Reboot and enter the RAID

> > controller area and CREATE a RAID 0, save and exit. I am than prompted to

> > insert a system disk. I than insert disk 1 of the recovery disks. Once

> all

> > loaded and finally reach the desktop, ALL drives are ONE drive. NO where

> is

> > there any reference of the 2nd disk! So this is how it is suppose to look

> > from what I have learned here. Everything works, system is snappier;

> > HOWEVER, I start getting the BSOD! Where I never got them before I am

> now!

> > The only deduction I can summorize from this is tha the OS is Striped,

> > opposed to being on 1 HD in one specific place as in 2A above.

> >

> > I need some thoughts on this and maybe some helpfull pointers on how to

> > overcome the obstacles as stated in the above questions.

> >

> > Thanks in Advance!! ~~~~ Joey

>

>

>

[Guest Tony Sperling]

Re: Whats the Difference??

 

O.K. - the fogs are clearing now - it seems to me that your second account

of your experience is the technologically correct one - that is how I would

expect it to look.

 

This is the trouble with brand-name products - they have completely

proprietary ways of doing things their own way. Normally, you cannot convert

a 'Live' system from non-RAID to RAID - so, HP found a way, and now we have

to iron out the wrinkles.

 

Fortunately (for us!) if you have BSOD's doing it the HP way, I think you

should call up, or e-mail their support and have a technician explain their

proprietary philosophy 'en-lieu' these BSOD's. It is hard to make

suggestions for something this alien.

 

The only way I can explain the two 'blocks' (as you say) is if they have

each disk configured as a separate partition in the RAID set. This would be

odd for a default setup but perfectly in order! Or, if the original non-RAID

partition is not actually converted but sits there serving as a rescue

partition, but also, still non-RAID!

 

Gosh, Joey! I really don't know, I have very good experience from HP

notebook and printers but I would never buy a brand-name desktop, and for

this very reason. But here you are, and I think you should e-mail their tech

support directly and have them explain this, because this is beyond the

normal 'oddities' - this is outright freakish!

 

 

Tony. . .

 

 

 

"Seidell23231" <Seidell23231@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:39D7821A-AC6E-429D-BA03-33C950A59A90@microsoft.com...

> Tony & Carlos,

>

> OK, here are the results thus far and the problem, if there is one. The

> RAID is down and when I boot up the system it displays the RAID Controller

> and it reports all ok. When I get into the desktop, I went into

"Computer"

> to see if it was still listing each drive as seperate. It is! I then

went

> to Disk Management. It has both drives in the Disk 0 slot and the size

> showing is the combination of both. But they are showing as seperate

blocks

> of space in Disk 0.

>

> The only problem I see at this stage is what the "Computer" is displaying.

> It should have just one block with both combined, RIGHT?

>

> Now here is where the BIG difference comes in. If I disregard the

> instructions that came with the system, as described in my prior message

and

> do it manually, I get a different story. Explaination = I reboot the PC.

> When the RAID Controller screen displays, I press ctl+I and enter the RAID

> Controller menu. Next I Delete the RAID and ALL data. I Reboot and when

the

> RAID Controlle display appears I enter the Controller. This time I Create

a

> RAID 0. Again, Reboot and insert Disk 1 of the Recovery Disks. The

System

> goes through the paces as a recovery and loads all data showing Fresh from

> the Factory. The PC Reboots, the RAID Controller displays the RAID 0 and

I

> reach the Desktop. When I enter the "Computer" only 1 HD id displayed.

NO

> mention or indication of a second. I now go into Disk Management, Disk 0

> shows the combined drives, but there is NO block indicating a second drive

> ever existed. Everything looks as it should, drive wise that is.

>

> However, I was getting a lot of BSOD with this method. Most referencing

> show to do with a POINTER and than does a dump! I have not tried this

method

> since upgrading to 7.8, so not sure if BSOD are still an issue?

>

> My QUESTION at this point is this.... I have followed the Directions as

per

> HP and built the RAID. So why is there a HD issue, meaning why is the

second

> drive showing in "Computer" and partially in Disk Management. Can someone

> explain that parrt and is it an issue or not?????

>

> Thanks! Joey

>

>

>

> "Tony Sperling" wrote:

>

> > I am not quite sure of your current status - I will go through the

> > philosophy. . .

> >

> > First principle:

> >

> > You define a RAID set as a completely new set of HD's with nothing on

them,

> > this is done in the RAID chip's BIOS or the expansion card's BIOS, if

you

> > then supply the correct drivers that is compatible with and supported by

> > your OS during the installation of the OS your RAID set will be

recognized

> > by that OS's installer.

> >

> > This is where I become uncertain - if you try and convert an installed

> > non-RAID system to a RAID set, then you are going to fail, because

> > configuring the RAID will definitely delete all data on all the disks

that

> > are being configured as belonging to the RAID.

> >

> > If you are trying to install an OS to a RAID set that is allready

configured

> > and has an installed system that is up and running you do not touch that

> > RAID configuration at all! The only requirement is that you supply the

> > driver to the installer that the other OS expects in order to recognize

the

> > RAID. The fact that you have configured a RAID and has installed one

system

> > on to that RAID will not let another OS that you are trying to install

onto

> > that same RAID be recognized by the second installer and using the other

> > system's driver!

> >

> > You have to supply the driver every time. This mean that you can install

a

> > Windows system on the RAID and if you have the space you can install a

Linux

> > system next to it, and each one can be 32bit or 64bit as you wish if you

> > just make sure that you supply the correct driver for each system and

for

> > each new installation, in order for the installer to know there is HD

space

> > that it can use! The installer doesn't know about RAIDs, it just know

about

> > HD's and the driver makes the RAID visible to the installer and later to

the

> > OS as well.

> >

> > The IDE specification and SCSI and all other specifications have precise

> > definitions of how data is written to and read from each of these types

of

> > disks. RAID has no knowledge of IDE or SCSI or anything else except it's

own

> > RAID definition. Nothing else in the known universe knows anything about

> > RAID except the RAID and this is why you have to supply the correct

driver

> > each time.

> >

> > You may already know all this - I just think it is important that you

don't

> > f*ck anything up for yourself at this point, because of a simple

> > misconception!

> >

> >

> > Tony. . .

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > "Seidell23231" <Seidell23231@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > news:84CD4939-F7E5-4B02-8DE0-4559FC917D58@microsoft.com...

> > > RAID 0 Questions:

> > > 1. What reading do you recommend regarding RAID 0? I want to get

fully

> > > locked in on the RAID world and to do this, I need some sources

(Reading

> > > wise).

> > > 2A. This is a little difficult to explain, but here we go. My PC has

> > RAID

> > > 0 & 1 ability. The software side "Intel Matrix Storage Console". The

> > > paperwork that came with the system states this method to use

(Obviously

> > at

> > > this point the OS and drivers and all software is already installed).

> > > However, when I use this method, I do NOT get the HD's combined

(Viewing

> > that

> > > is) in my Computer screen or the Computer Management area), but the

Intel

> > > Matrix Storage Console shows and states they are combined. **This

deletes

> > > everything from the RAID drives!

> > > 2B. When I boot up my PC the RAID controller displays that status of

the

> > > RAID and all pertinent information. Now if I "DELETE" the RAID

created in

> > > step 2A and then save and exit and do another Reboot and enter the

RAID

> > > controller area and CREATE a RAID 0, save and exit. I am than

prompted to

> > > insert a system disk. I than insert disk 1 of the recovery disks.

Once

> > all

> > > loaded and finally reach the desktop, ALL drives are ONE drive. NO

where

> > is

> > > there any reference of the 2nd disk! So this is how it is suppose to

look

> > > from what I have learned here. Everything works, system is snappier;

> > > HOWEVER, I start getting the BSOD! Where I never got them before I am

> > now!

> > > The only deduction I can summorize from this is tha the OS is Striped,

> > > opposed to being on 1 HD in one specific place as in 2A above.

> > >

> > > I need some thoughts on this and maybe some helpfull pointers on how

to

> > > overcome the obstacles as stated in the above questions.

> > >

> > > Thanks in Advance!! ~~~~ Joey

> >

> >

> >

[Guest Seidell23231]

Re: Whats the Difference??

 

Can we discuss over the phone?? Much easier at this point. Email me your

number and a Best time to talk (GySgt_Seidell@yahoo.com) , Thanks! Joey

 

 

Till than

 

"Tony Sperling" wrote:

> O.K. - the fogs are clearing now - it seems to me that your second account

> of your experience is the technologically correct one - that is how I would

> expect it to look.

>

> This is the trouble with brand-name products - they have completely

> proprietary ways of doing things their own way. Normally, you cannot convert

> a 'Live' system from non-RAID to RAID - so, HP found a way, and now we have

> to iron out the wrinkles.

>

> Fortunately (for us!) if you have BSOD's doing it the HP way, I think you

> should call up, or e-mail their support and have a technician explain their

> proprietary philosophy 'en-lieu' these BSOD's. It is hard to make

> suggestions for something this alien.

>

> The only way I can explain the two 'blocks' (as you say) is if they have

> each disk configured as a separate partition in the RAID set. This would be

> odd for a default setup but perfectly in order! Or, if the original non-RAID

> partition is not actually converted but sits there serving as a rescue

> partition, but also, still non-RAID!

>

> Gosh, Joey! I really don't know, I have very good experience from HP

> notebook and printers but I would never buy a brand-name desktop, and for

> this very reason. But here you are, and I think you should e-mail their tech

> support directly and have them explain this, because this is beyond the

> normal 'oddities' - this is outright freakish!

>

>

> Tony. . .

>

>

>

> "Seidell23231" <Seidell23231@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:39D7821A-AC6E-429D-BA03-33C950A59A90@microsoft.com...

> > Tony & Carlos,

> >

> > OK, here are the results thus far and the problem, if there is one. The

> > RAID is down and when I boot up the system it displays the RAID Controller

> > and it reports all ok. When I get into the desktop, I went into

> "Computer"

> > to see if it was still listing each drive as seperate. It is! I then

> went

> > to Disk Management. It has both drives in the Disk 0 slot and the size

> > showing is the combination of both. But they are showing as seperate

> blocks

> > of space in Disk 0.

> >

> > The only problem I see at this stage is what the "Computer" is displaying.

> > It should have just one block with both combined, RIGHT?

> >

> > Now here is where the BIG difference comes in. If I disregard the

> > instructions that came with the system, as described in my prior message

> and

> > do it manually, I get a different story. Explaination = I reboot the PC.

> > When the RAID Controller screen displays, I press ctl+I and enter the RAID

> > Controller menu. Next I Delete the RAID and ALL data. I Reboot and when

> the

> > RAID Controlle display appears I enter the Controller. This time I Create

> a

> > RAID 0. Again, Reboot and insert Disk 1 of the Recovery Disks. The

> System

> > goes through the paces as a recovery and loads all data showing Fresh from

> > the Factory. The PC Reboots, the RAID Controller displays the RAID 0 and

> I

> > reach the Desktop. When I enter the "Computer" only 1 HD id displayed.

> NO

> > mention or indication of a second. I now go into Disk Management, Disk 0

> > shows the combined drives, but there is NO block indicating a second drive

> > ever existed. Everything looks as it should, drive wise that is.

> >

> > However, I was getting a lot of BSOD with this method. Most referencing

> > show to do with a POINTER and than does a dump! I have not tried this

> method

> > since upgrading to 7.8, so not sure if BSOD are still an issue?

> >

> > My QUESTION at this point is this.... I have followed the Directions as

> per

> > HP and built the RAID. So why is there a HD issue, meaning why is the

> second

> > drive showing in "Computer" and partially in Disk Management. Can someone

> > explain that parrt and is it an issue or not?????

> >

> > Thanks! Joey

> >

> >

> >

> > "Tony Sperling" wrote:

> >

> > > I am not quite sure of your current status - I will go through the

> > > philosophy. . .

> > >

> > > First principle:

> > >

> > > You define a RAID set as a completely new set of HD's with nothing on

> them,

> > > this is done in the RAID chip's BIOS or the expansion card's BIOS, if

> you

> > > then supply the correct drivers that is compatible with and supported by

> > > your OS during the installation of the OS your RAID set will be

> recognized

> > > by that OS's installer.

> > >

> > > This is where I become uncertain - if you try and convert an installed

> > > non-RAID system to a RAID set, then you are going to fail, because

> > > configuring the RAID will definitely delete all data on all the disks

> that

> > > are being configured as belonging to the RAID.

> > >

> > > If you are trying to install an OS to a RAID set that is allready

> configured

> > > and has an installed system that is up and running you do not touch that

> > > RAID configuration at all! The only requirement is that you supply the

> > > driver to the installer that the other OS expects in order to recognize

> the

> > > RAID. The fact that you have configured a RAID and has installed one

> system

> > > on to that RAID will not let another OS that you are trying to install

> onto

> > > that same RAID be recognized by the second installer and using the other

> > > system's driver!

> > >

> > > You have to supply the driver every time. This mean that you can install

> a

> > > Windows system on the RAID and if you have the space you can install a

> Linux

> > > system next to it, and each one can be 32bit or 64bit as you wish if you

> > > just make sure that you supply the correct driver for each system and

> for

> > > each new installation, in order for the installer to know there is HD

> space

> > > that it can use! The installer doesn't know about RAIDs, it just know

> about

> > > HD's and the driver makes the RAID visible to the installer and later to

> the

> > > OS as well.

> > >

> > > The IDE specification and SCSI and all other specifications have precise

> > > definitions of how data is written to and read from each of these types

> of

> > > disks. RAID has no knowledge of IDE or SCSI or anything else except it's

> own

> > > RAID definition. Nothing else in the known universe knows anything about

> > > RAID except the RAID and this is why you have to supply the correct

> driver

> > > each time.

> > >

> > > You may already know all this - I just think it is important that you

> don't

> > > f*ck anything up for yourself at this point, because of a simple

> > > misconception!

> > >

> > >

> > > Tony. . .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > "Seidell23231" <Seidell23231@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > > news:84CD4939-F7E5-4B02-8DE0-4559FC917D58@microsoft.com...

> > > > RAID 0 Questions:

> > > > 1. What reading do you recommend regarding RAID 0? I want to get

> fully

> > > > locked in on the RAID world and to do this, I need some sources

> (Reading

> > > > wise).

> > > > 2A. This is a little difficult to explain, but here we go. My PC has

> > > RAID

> > > > 0 & 1 ability. The software side "Intel Matrix Storage Console". The

> > > > paperwork that came with the system states this method to use

> (Obviously

> > > at

> > > > this point the OS and drivers and all software is already installed).

> > > > However, when I use this method, I do NOT get the HD's combined

> (Viewing

> > > that

> > > > is) in my Computer screen or the Computer Management area), but the

> Intel

> > > > Matrix Storage Console shows and states they are combined. **This

> deletes

> > > > everything from the RAID drives!

> > > > 2B. When I boot up my PC the RAID controller displays that status of

> the

> > > > RAID and all pertinent information. Now if I "DELETE" the RAID

> created in

> > > > step 2A and then save and exit and do another Reboot and enter the

> RAID

> > > > controller area and CREATE a RAID 0, save and exit. I am than

> prompted to

> > > > insert a system disk. I than insert disk 1 of the recovery disks.

> Once

> > > all

> > > > loaded and finally reach the desktop, ALL drives are ONE drive. NO

> where

> > > is

> > > > there any reference of the 2nd disk! So this is how it is suppose to

> look

> > > > from what I have learned here. Everything works, system is snappier;

> > > > HOWEVER, I start getting the BSOD! Where I never got them before I am

> > > now!

> > > > The only deduction I can summorize from this is tha the OS is Striped,

> > > > opposed to being on 1 HD in one specific place as in 2A above.

> > > >

> > > > I need some thoughts on this and maybe some helpfull pointers on how

> to

> > > > overcome the obstacles as stated in the above questions.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks in Advance!! ~~~~ Joey

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

>

>

[Guest Seidell23231]

Active Migration...

 

Active Migration...

 

OK, I have the RAID 0 array setup and the Matrix Console Manager says Status

is nornal. OK, so if RAID 0 is "Striping" shouldn't it now be writing to

both HD's?? In Disk Management and Computer, Both HD's are displayed, but in

Disk Management both HD's are positioned in line with Disk 0 and Disk 0 shows

the combined values.

 

So, if I am copying a huge block of data from my external drive to my C

drive, shouldn't the status change from NO active migration to YES active

migration? Additionally, shouldn't the 2nd HD show a value, something,

anything? It shows 0, NO data displayed............

 

THOUGHTS???? Joey

 

 

 

"Tony Sperling" wrote:

> O.K. - the fogs are clearing now - it seems to me that your second account

> of your experience is the technologically correct one - that is how I would

> expect it to look.

>

> This is the trouble with brand-name products - they have completely

> proprietary ways of doing things their own way. Normally, you cannot convert

> a 'Live' system from non-RAID to RAID - so, HP found a way, and now we have

> to iron out the wrinkles.

>

> Fortunately (for us!) if you have BSOD's doing it the HP way, I think you

> should call up, or e-mail their support and have a technician explain their

> proprietary philosophy 'en-lieu' these BSOD's. It is hard to make

> suggestions for something this alien.

>

> The only way I can explain the two 'blocks' (as you say) is if they have

> each disk configured as a separate partition in the RAID set. This would be

> odd for a default setup but perfectly in order! Or, if the original non-RAID

> partition is not actually converted but sits there serving as a rescue

> partition, but also, still non-RAID!

>

> Gosh, Joey! I really don't know, I have very good experience from HP

> notebook and printers but I would never buy a brand-name desktop, and for

> this very reason. But here you are, and I think you should e-mail their tech

> support directly and have them explain this, because this is beyond the

> normal 'oddities' - this is outright freakish!

>

>

> Tony. . .

>

>

>

> "Seidell23231" <Seidell23231@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:39D7821A-AC6E-429D-BA03-33C950A59A90@microsoft.com...

> > Tony & Carlos,

> >

> > OK, here are the results thus far and the problem, if there is one. The

> > RAID is down and when I boot up the system it displays the RAID Controller

> > and it reports all ok. When I get into the desktop, I went into

> "Computer"

> > to see if it was still listing each drive as seperate. It is! I then

> went

> > to Disk Management. It has both drives in the Disk 0 slot and the size

> > showing is the combination of both. But they are showing as seperate

> blocks

> > of space in Disk 0.

> >

> > The only problem I see at this stage is what the "Computer" is displaying.

> > It should have just one block with both combined, RIGHT?

> >

> > Now here is where the BIG difference comes in. If I disregard the

> > instructions that came with the system, as described in my prior message

> and

> > do it manually, I get a different story. Explaination = I reboot the PC.

> > When the RAID Controller screen displays, I press ctl+I and enter the RAID

> > Controller menu. Next I Delete the RAID and ALL data. I Reboot and when

> the

> > RAID Controlle display appears I enter the Controller. This time I Create

> a

> > RAID 0. Again, Reboot and insert Disk 1 of the Recovery Disks. The

> System

> > goes through the paces as a recovery and loads all data showing Fresh from

> > the Factory. The PC Reboots, the RAID Controller displays the RAID 0 and

> I

> > reach the Desktop. When I enter the "Computer" only 1 HD id displayed.

> NO

> > mention or indication of a second. I now go into Disk Management, Disk 0

> > shows the combined drives, but there is NO block indicating a second drive

> > ever existed. Everything looks as it should, drive wise that is.

> >

> > However, I was getting a lot of BSOD with this method. Most referencing

> > show to do with a POINTER and than does a dump! I have not tried this

> method

> > since upgrading to 7.8, so not sure if BSOD are still an issue?

> >

> > My QUESTION at this point is this.... I have followed the Directions as

> per

> > HP and built the RAID. So why is there a HD issue, meaning why is the

> second

> > drive showing in "Computer" and partially in Disk Management. Can someone

> > explain that parrt and is it an issue or not?????

> >

> > Thanks! Joey

> >

> >

> >

> > "Tony Sperling" wrote:

> >

> > > I am not quite sure of your current status - I will go through the

> > > philosophy. . .

> > >

> > > First principle:

> > >

> > > You define a RAID set as a completely new set of HD's with nothing on

> them,

> > > this is done in the RAID chip's BIOS or the expansion card's BIOS, if

> you

> > > then supply the correct drivers that is compatible with and supported by

> > > your OS during the installation of the OS your RAID set will be

> recognized

> > > by that OS's installer.

> > >

> > > This is where I become uncertain - if you try and convert an installed

> > > non-RAID system to a RAID set, then you are going to fail, because

> > > configuring the RAID will definitely delete all data on all the disks

> that

> > > are being configured as belonging to the RAID.

> > >

> > > If you are trying to install an OS to a RAID set that is allready

> configured

> > > and has an installed system that is up and running you do not touch that

> > > RAID configuration at all! The only requirement is that you supply the

> > > driver to the installer that the other OS expects in order to recognize

> the

> > > RAID. The fact that you have configured a RAID and has installed one

> system

> > > on to that RAID will not let another OS that you are trying to install

> onto

> > > that same RAID be recognized by the second installer and using the other

> > > system's driver!

> > >

> > > You have to supply the driver every time. This mean that you can install

> a

> > > Windows system on the RAID and if you have the space you can install a

> Linux

> > > system next to it, and each one can be 32bit or 64bit as you wish if you

> > > just make sure that you supply the correct driver for each system and

> for

> > > each new installation, in order for the installer to know there is HD

> space

> > > that it can use! The installer doesn't know about RAIDs, it just know

> about

> > > HD's and the driver makes the RAID visible to the installer and later to

> the

> > > OS as well.

> > >

> > > The IDE specification and SCSI and all other specifications have precise

> > > definitions of how data is written to and read from each of these types

> of

> > > disks. RAID has no knowledge of IDE or SCSI or anything else except it's

> own

> > > RAID definition. Nothing else in the known universe knows anything about

> > > RAID except the RAID and this is why you have to supply the correct

> driver

> > > each time.

> > >

> > > You may already know all this - I just think it is important that you

> don't

> > > f*ck anything up for yourself at this point, because of a simple

> > > misconception!

> > >

> > >

> > > Tony. . .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > "Seidell23231" <Seidell23231@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > > news:84CD4939-F7E5-4B02-8DE0-4559FC917D58@microsoft.com...

> > > > RAID 0 Questions:

> > > > 1. What reading do you recommend regarding RAID 0? I want to get

> fully

> > > > locked in on the RAID world and to do this, I need some sources

> (Reading

> > > > wise).

> > > > 2A. This is a little difficult to explain, but here we go. My PC has

> > > RAID

> > > > 0 & 1 ability. The software side "Intel Matrix Storage Console". The

> > > > paperwork that came with the system states this method to use

> (Obviously

> > > at

> > > > this point the OS and drivers and all software is already installed).

> > > > However, when I use this method, I do NOT get the HD's combined

> (Viewing

> > > that

> > > > is) in my Computer screen or the Computer Management area), but the

> Intel

> > > > Matrix Storage Console shows and states they are combined. **This

> deletes

> > > > everything from the RAID drives!

> > > > 2B. When I boot up my PC the RAID controller displays that status of

> the

> > > > RAID and all pertinent information. Now if I "DELETE" the RAID

> created in

> > > > step 2A and then save and exit and do another Reboot and enter the

> RAID

> > > > controller area and CREATE a RAID 0, save and exit. I am than

> prompted to

> > > > insert a system disk. I than insert disk 1 of the recovery disks.

> Once

> > > all

> > > > loaded and finally reach the desktop, ALL drives are ONE drive. NO

> where

> > > is

> > > > there any reference of the 2nd disk! So this is how it is suppose to

> look

> > > > from what I have learned here. Everything works, system is snappier;

> > > > HOWEVER, I start getting the BSOD! Where I never got them before I am

> > > now!

> > > > The only deduction I can summorize from this is tha the OS is Striped,

> > > > opposed to being on 1 HD in one specific place as in 2A above.

> > > >

> > > > I need some thoughts on this and maybe some helpfull pointers on how

> to

> > > > overcome the obstacles as stated in the above questions.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks in Advance!! ~~~~ Joey

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

>

>

[Guest Tony Sperling]

Re: Active Migration...

 

Re: Active Migration...

 

I have been thinking about these concepts since you brought them up, but I

cannot make them fit entirely with what I know of the basic RAID technology.

Unless HP have employed some sort of Software RAID by which you can make

RAID do things it otherwise wouldn't - I am pretty much in the dark here. I

know if you type in "raid" in any search engine you'll get more hits than

you want, it could pay off, a lot of that is good info - I still think you

should e-mail HP tech support. They are nice folks if you address them in

plain and level-headed language, and since you have seen BSOD's, you do have

an issue for them to tackle. Phoning the call-centre will probably be a

waste.

 

As I have implemented it, the Hard drives show in BIOS setup as two drives.

This is before the driver is read into memory, in the RAID manager I only

see the RAID and in Windows device manager I only see the number of

partitions that I created on the one drive that is the RAID.

 

 

Tony. . .

 

 

 

"Seidell23231" <Seidell23231@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:8CA3B00F-EFF7-4033-B612-D2DCDBF99BBA@microsoft.com...

> OK, I have the RAID 0 array setup and the Matrix Console Manager says

Status

> is nornal. OK, so if RAID 0 is "Striping" shouldn't it now be writing to

> both HD's?? In Disk Management and Computer, Both HD's are displayed, but

in

> Disk Management both HD's are positioned in line with Disk 0 and Disk 0

shows

> the combined values.

>

> So, if I am copying a huge block of data from my external drive to my C

> drive, shouldn't the status change from NO active migration to YES active

> migration? Additionally, shouldn't the 2nd HD show a value, something,

> anything? It shows 0, NO data displayed............

>

> THOUGHTS???? Joey

>

>

>

> "Tony Sperling" wrote:

>

> > O.K. - the fogs are clearing now - it seems to me that your second

account

> > of your experience is the technologically correct one - that is how I

would

> > expect it to look.

> >

> > This is the trouble with brand-name products - they have completely

> > proprietary ways of doing things their own way. Normally, you cannot

convert

> > a 'Live' system from non-RAID to RAID - so, HP found a way, and now we

have

> > to iron out the wrinkles.

> >

> > Fortunately (for us!) if you have BSOD's doing it the HP way, I think

you

> > should call up, or e-mail their support and have a technician explain

their

> > proprietary philosophy 'en-lieu' these BSOD's. It is hard to make

> > suggestions for something this alien.

> >

> > The only way I can explain the two 'blocks' (as you say) is if they have

> > each disk configured as a separate partition in the RAID set. This would

be

> > odd for a default setup but perfectly in order! Or, if the original

non-RAID

> > partition is not actually converted but sits there serving as a rescue

> > partition, but also, still non-RAID!

> >

> > Gosh, Joey! I really don't know, I have very good experience from HP

> > notebook and printers but I would never buy a brand-name desktop, and

for

> > this very reason. But here you are, and I think you should e-mail their

tech

> > support directly and have them explain this, because this is beyond the

> > normal 'oddities' - this is outright freakish!

> >

> >

> > Tony. . .

> >

> >

> >

> > "Seidell23231" <Seidell23231@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > news:39D7821A-AC6E-429D-BA03-33C950A59A90@microsoft.com...

> > > Tony & Carlos,

> > >

> > > OK, here are the results thus far and the problem, if there is one.

The

> > > RAID is down and when I boot up the system it displays the RAID

Controller

> > > and it reports all ok. When I get into the desktop, I went into

> > "Computer"

> > > to see if it was still listing each drive as seperate. It is! I then

> > went

> > > to Disk Management. It has both drives in the Disk 0 slot and the

size

> > > showing is the combination of both. But they are showing as seperate

> > blocks

> > > of space in Disk 0.

> > >

> > > The only problem I see at this stage is what the "Computer" is

displaying.

> > > It should have just one block with both combined, RIGHT?

> > >

> > > Now here is where the BIG difference comes in. If I disregard the

> > > instructions that came with the system, as described in my prior

message

> > and

> > > do it manually, I get a different story. Explaination = I reboot the

PC.

> > > When the RAID Controller screen displays, I press ctl+I and enter the

RAID

> > > Controller menu. Next I Delete the RAID and ALL data. I Reboot and

when

> > the

> > > RAID Controlle display appears I enter the Controller. This time I

Create

> > a

> > > RAID 0. Again, Reboot and insert Disk 1 of the Recovery Disks. The

> > System

> > > goes through the paces as a recovery and loads all data showing Fresh

from

> > > the Factory. The PC Reboots, the RAID Controller displays the RAID 0

and

> > I

> > > reach the Desktop. When I enter the "Computer" only 1 HD id

displayed.

> > NO

> > > mention or indication of a second. I now go into Disk Management,

Disk 0

> > > shows the combined drives, but there is NO block indicating a second

drive

> > > ever existed. Everything looks as it should, drive wise that is.

> > >

> > > However, I was getting a lot of BSOD with this method. Most

referencing

> > > show to do with a POINTER and than does a dump! I have not tried this

> > method

> > > since upgrading to 7.8, so not sure if BSOD are still an issue?

> > >

> > > My QUESTION at this point is this.... I have followed the Directions

as

> > per

> > > HP and built the RAID. So why is there a HD issue, meaning why is the

> > second

> > > drive showing in "Computer" and partially in Disk Management. Can

someone

> > > explain that parrt and is it an issue or not?????

> > >

> > > Thanks! Joey

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > "Tony Sperling" wrote:

> > >

> > > > I am not quite sure of your current status - I will go through the

> > > > philosophy. . .

> > > >

> > > > First principle:

> > > >

> > > > You define a RAID set as a completely new set of HD's with nothing

on

> > them,

> > > > this is done in the RAID chip's BIOS or the expansion card's BIOS,

if

> > you

> > > > then supply the correct drivers that is compatible with and

supported by

> > > > your OS during the installation of the OS your RAID set will be

> > recognized

> > > > by that OS's installer.

> > > >

> > > > This is where I become uncertain - if you try and convert an

installed

> > > > non-RAID system to a RAID set, then you are going to fail, because

> > > > configuring the RAID will definitely delete all data on all the

disks

> > that

> > > > are being configured as belonging to the RAID.

> > > >

> > > > If you are trying to install an OS to a RAID set that is allready

> > configured

> > > > and has an installed system that is up and running you do not touch

that

> > > > RAID configuration at all! The only requirement is that you supply

the

> > > > driver to the installer that the other OS expects in order to

recognize

> > the

> > > > RAID. The fact that you have configured a RAID and has installed one

> > system

> > > > on to that RAID will not let another OS that you are trying to

install

> > onto

> > > > that same RAID be recognized by the second installer and using the

other

> > > > system's driver!

> > > >

> > > > You have to supply the driver every time. This mean that you can

install

> > a

> > > > Windows system on the RAID and if you have the space you can install

a

> > Linux

> > > > system next to it, and each one can be 32bit or 64bit as you wish if

you

> > > > just make sure that you supply the correct driver for each system

and

> > for

> > > > each new installation, in order for the installer to know there is

HD

> > space

> > > > that it can use! The installer doesn't know about RAIDs, it just

know

> > about

> > > > HD's and the driver makes the RAID visible to the installer and

later to

> > the

> > > > OS as well.

> > > >

> > > > The IDE specification and SCSI and all other specifications have

precise

> > > > definitions of how data is written to and read from each of these

types

> > of

> > > > disks. RAID has no knowledge of IDE or SCSI or anything else except

it's

> > own

> > > > RAID definition. Nothing else in the known universe knows anything

about

> > > > RAID except the RAID and this is why you have to supply the correct

> > driver

> > > > each time.

> > > >

> > > > You may already know all this - I just think it is important that

you

> > don't

> > > > f*ck anything up for yourself at this point, because of a simple

> > > > misconception!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Tony. . .

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > "Seidell23231" <Seidell23231@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

message

> > > > news:84CD4939-F7E5-4B02-8DE0-4559FC917D58@microsoft.com...

> > > > > RAID 0 Questions:

> > > > > 1. What reading do you recommend regarding RAID 0? I want to get

> > fully

> > > > > locked in on the RAID world and to do this, I need some sources

> > (Reading

> > > > > wise).

> > > > > 2A. This is a little difficult to explain, but here we go. My PC

has

> > > > RAID

> > > > > 0 & 1 ability. The software side "Intel Matrix Storage Console".

The

> > > > > paperwork that came with the system states this method to use

> > (Obviously

> > > > at

> > > > > this point the OS and drivers and all software is already

installed).

> > > > > However, when I use this method, I do NOT get the HD's combined

> > (Viewing

> > > > that

> > > > > is) in my Computer screen or the Computer Management area), but

the

> > Intel

> > > > > Matrix Storage Console shows and states they are combined. **This

> > deletes

> > > > > everything from the RAID drives!

> > > > > 2B. When I boot up my PC the RAID controller displays that status

of

> > the

> > > > > RAID and all pertinent information. Now if I "DELETE" the RAID

> > created in

> > > > > step 2A and then save and exit and do another Reboot and enter the

> > RAID

> > > > > controller area and CREATE a RAID 0, save and exit. I am than

> > prompted to

> > > > > insert a system disk. I than insert disk 1 of the recovery disks.

> > Once

> > > > all

> > > > > loaded and finally reach the desktop, ALL drives are ONE drive.

NO

> > where

> > > > is

> > > > > there any reference of the 2nd disk! So this is how it is suppose

to

> > look

> > > > > from what I have learned here. Everything works, system is

snappier;

> > > > > HOWEVER, I start getting the BSOD! Where I never got them before

I am

> > > > now!

> > > > > The only deduction I can summorize from this is tha the OS is

Striped,

> > > > > opposed to being on 1 HD in one specific place as in 2A above.

> > > > >

> > > > > I need some thoughts on this and maybe some helpfull pointers on

how

> > to

> > > > > overcome the obstacles as stated in the above questions.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks in Advance!! ~~~~ Joey

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> >

> >

> >