Vista 64 bit

[Guest ricsgone]

I am currently running Win XP Pro (32 bit). I am intending to upgrade to Win

Vista Home Premium and purchased the upgrade in 32 bit but have ordered the

64 bit DVD from MS. Here's the question: Can I go ahead and upgrade using

the 32 bit version I have and then upgrade that to the 64 bit version when it

arrives?

 

My system is a new build; Core 2 Duo E8400, Asus P5K Deluxe MB, 8 Gb OCZ

Platinum, nVidia 9600 GT (512) Direct X 10 and 2 x 320Gb Seagate SATA drives.

All of my equipment supports 64 bit.

--

Ric Thomas

[Guest Bobby Johnson]

Re: Vista 64 bit

 

Going to 64-bit requires a clean install of the 64-bit OS.

There is no capability to upgrade the 32-bit OS to the

64-bit version.

 

 

ricsgone wrote:

> I am currently running Win XP Pro (32 bit). I am intending to upgrade to Win

> Vista Home Premium and purchased the upgrade in 32 bit but have ordered the

> 64 bit DVD from MS. Here's the question: Can I go ahead and upgrade using

> the 32 bit version I have and then upgrade that to the 64 bit version when it

> arrives?

>

> My system is a new build; Core 2 Duo E8400, Asus P5K Deluxe MB, 8 Gb OCZ

> Platinum, nVidia 9600 GT (512) Direct X 10 and 2 x 320Gb Seagate SATA drives.

> All of my equipment supports 64 bit.

[Guest ricsgone]

RE: Vista 64 bit

 

I was under the assumption (maybe a poor choice of wording) that when you

upgrade to Win Vista, it gives you a choice of doing a clean install instead

of the upgrade. The install guide notes that a clean install can be done

under four different scenarios and then gives instructions if you have an

upgrade copy of Windows Vista by telling you that you have to start the

upgrade from within Windows choosing CUSTOM during the install.

--

Ric Thomas

 

 

"ricsgone" wrote:

> I am currently running Win XP Pro (32 bit). I am intending to upgrade to Win

> Vista Home Premium and purchased the upgrade in 32 bit but have ordered the

> 64 bit DVD from MS. Here's the question: Can I go ahead and upgrade using

> the 32 bit version I have and then upgrade that to the 64 bit version when it

> arrives?

>

> My system is a new build; Core 2 Duo E8400, Asus P5K Deluxe MB, 8 Gb OCZ

> Platinum, nVidia 9600 GT (512) Direct X 10 and 2 x 320Gb Seagate SATA drives.

> All of my equipment supports 64 bit.

> --

> Ric Thomas

[Guest R. C. White]

Re: Vista 64 bit

 

Hi, Ric.

 

I just want to echo what Bobby said and add: There's no UPGRADE path from

ANY 32-bit to ANY 64-bit operating system - or vice-versa. A clean install

is not just recommended; it's required. It's a hardware platform thing.

:>(

 

RC

--

R. C. White, CPA

San Marcos, TX

rc@grandecom.net

Microsoft Windows MVP

(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

 

"ricsgone" <ricsgone@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:08D39EFF-E0E0-4E7D-B8D3-7F84A673E275@microsoft.com...

> I am currently running Win XP Pro (32 bit). I am intending to upgrade to

> Win

> Vista Home Premium and purchased the upgrade in 32 bit but have ordered

> the

> 64 bit DVD from MS. Here's the question: Can I go ahead and upgrade using

> the 32 bit version I have and then upgrade that to the 64 bit version when

> it

> arrives?

>

> My system is a new build; Core 2 Duo E8400, Asus P5K Deluxe MB, 8 Gb OCZ

> Platinum, nVidia 9600 GT (512) Direct X 10 and 2 x 320Gb Seagate SATA

> drives.

> All of my equipment supports 64 bit.

> --

> Ric Thomas

[Guest R. C. White]

Re: Vista 64 bit

 

Hi (again), Ric.

 

Correct. And I think if you go a bit further, you will see that a Custom

install is essentially a Clean install.

 

You might want to read this page:

http://www.theeldergeekvista.com/vista_upgrade_installation.htm

 

It was the first hit when I Googled for "vista +'custom install'".

 

RC

--

R. C. White, CPA

San Marcos, TX

rc@grandecom.net

Microsoft Windows MVP

(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

 

"ricsgone" <ricsgone@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:C441D4F7-4997-4D86-8C01-0E74903BFDE5@microsoft.com...

> I was under the assumption (maybe a poor choice of wording) that when you

> upgrade to Win Vista, it gives you a choice of doing a clean install

> instead

> of the upgrade. The install guide notes that a clean install can be done

> under four different scenarios and then gives instructions if you have an

> upgrade copy of Windows Vista by telling you that you have to start the

> upgrade from within Windows choosing CUSTOM during the install.

> --

> Ric Thomas

>

>

> "ricsgone" wrote:

>

>> I am currently running Win XP Pro (32 bit). I am intending to upgrade to

>> Win

>> Vista Home Premium and purchased the upgrade in 32 bit but have ordered

>> the

>> 64 bit DVD from MS. Here's the question: Can I go ahead and upgrade

>> using

>> the 32 bit version I have and then upgrade that to the 64 bit version

>> when it

>> arrives?

>>

>> My system is a new build; Core 2 Duo E8400, Asus P5K Deluxe MB, 8 Gb OCZ

>> Platinum, nVidia 9600 GT (512) Direct X 10 and 2 x 320Gb Seagate SATA

>> drives.

>> All of my equipment supports 64 bit.

>> --

>> Ric Thomas

[Guest ricsgone]

Re: Vista 64 bit

 

Thanks R.C. I had planned on doing a clean install since I just built this

and there's really nothing to back up as far as files, settings, etc. I

guess I just need to understand whether I will still be able to to a clean

install from Vista 32 to Vista 64 when the DVD arrives or just bag it and

wait till it arrives before moving from XP to Vista 64.

--

Ric Thomas

 

 

"R. C. White" wrote:

> Hi (again), Ric.

>

> Correct. And I think if you go a bit further, you will see that a Custom

> install is essentially a Clean install.

>

> You might want to read this page:

> http://www.theeldergeekvista.com/vista_upgrade_installation.htm

>

> It was the first hit when I Googled for "vista +'custom install'".

>

> RC

> --

> R. C. White, CPA

> San Marcos, TX

> rc@grandecom.net

> Microsoft Windows MVP

> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

>

> "ricsgone" <ricsgone@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:C441D4F7-4997-4D86-8C01-0E74903BFDE5@microsoft.com...

> > I was under the assumption (maybe a poor choice of wording) that when you

> > upgrade to Win Vista, it gives you a choice of doing a clean install

> > instead

> > of the upgrade. The install guide notes that a clean install can be done

> > under four different scenarios and then gives instructions if you have an

> > upgrade copy of Windows Vista by telling you that you have to start the

> > upgrade from within Windows choosing CUSTOM during the install.

> > --

> > Ric Thomas

> >

> >

> > "ricsgone" wrote:

> >

> >> I am currently running Win XP Pro (32 bit). I am intending to upgrade to

> >> Win

> >> Vista Home Premium and purchased the upgrade in 32 bit but have ordered

> >> the

> >> 64 bit DVD from MS. Here's the question: Can I go ahead and upgrade

> >> using

> >> the 32 bit version I have and then upgrade that to the 64 bit version

> >> when it

> >> arrives?

> >>

> >> My system is a new build; Core 2 Duo E8400, Asus P5K Deluxe MB, 8 Gb OCZ

> >> Platinum, nVidia 9600 GT (512) Direct X 10 and 2 x 320Gb Seagate SATA

> >> drives.

> >> All of my equipment supports 64 bit.

> >> --

> >> Ric Thomas

>

[Guest R. C. White]

Re: Vista 64 bit

 

Hi, Ric.

 

If you are like me, you'll want to install Vista x86 and play with it while

waiting for the x64 DVD. ;^} But when x64 arrives, I would backup any DATA

(not apps - those will have to be installed again from original media

anyhow) that I wanted to keep, then do a clean-from-scratch install of x64

by booting from the x64 DVD and following the prompts - including

reformatting the drive.

 

I hope you don't have to wait TOO long for the x64 DVD. That's a lot of

great hardware just sitting there waiting to be put to use. ;^)

 

RC

--

R. C. White, CPA

San Marcos, TX

rc@grandecom.net

Microsoft Windows MVP

(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

 

"ricsgone" <ricsgone@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:547CA3F9-9B70-4984-9C7D-F34D5B2CBD7D@microsoft.com...

> Thanks R.C. I had planned on doing a clean install since I just built

> this

> and there's really nothing to back up as far as files, settings, etc. I

> guess I just need to understand whether I will still be able to to a clean

> install from Vista 32 to Vista 64 when the DVD arrives or just bag it and

> wait till it arrives before moving from XP to Vista 64.

> --

> Ric Thomas

>

>

> "R. C. White" wrote:

>

>> Hi (again), Ric.

>>

>> Correct. And I think if you go a bit further, you will see that a Custom

>> install is essentially a Clean install.

>>

>> You might want to read this page:

>> http://www.theeldergeekvista.com/vista_upgrade_installation.htm

>>

>> It was the first hit when I Googled for "vista +'custom install'".

>>

>> RC

>>

>> "ricsgone" <ricsgone@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:C441D4F7-4997-4D86-8C01-0E74903BFDE5@microsoft.com...

>> > I was under the assumption (maybe a poor choice of wording) that when

>> > you

>> > upgrade to Win Vista, it gives you a choice of doing a clean install

>> > instead

>> > of the upgrade. The install guide notes that a clean install can be

>> > done

>> > under four different scenarios and then gives instructions if you have

>> > an

>> > upgrade copy of Windows Vista by telling you that you have to start the

>> > upgrade from within Windows choosing CUSTOM during the install.

>> > --

>> > Ric Thomas

>> >

>> >

>> > "ricsgone" wrote:

>> >

>> >> I am currently running Win XP Pro (32 bit). I am intending to upgrade

>> >> to

>> >> Win

>> >> Vista Home Premium and purchased the upgrade in 32 bit but have

>> >> ordered

>> >> the

>> >> 64 bit DVD from MS. Here's the question: Can I go ahead and upgrade

>> >> using

>> >> the 32 bit version I have and then upgrade that to the 64 bit version

>> >> when it

>> >> arrives?

>> >>

>> >> My system is a new build; Core 2 Duo E8400, Asus P5K Deluxe MB, 8 Gb

>> >> OCZ

>> >> Platinum, nVidia 9600 GT (512) Direct X 10 and 2 x 320Gb Seagate SATA

>> >> drives.

>> >> All of my equipment supports 64 bit.

>> >> --

>> >> Ric Thomas

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Vista 64 bit

 

You will get the choice between upgrade or custom when both the old XP and

the new Vista are 32bit. When going from the old XP to a new Vista 64bit

the upgrade option will be greyed out.

 

You will not be able to run the Vista x64 Setup from the XP desktop like you

would the Vista x86 Setup. You will have to boot the computer with the x64

dvd. Upgrade is never an option when booting with the media, not even in

XP.

 

"ricsgone" <ricsgone@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:C441D4F7-4997-4D86-8C01-0E74903BFDE5@microsoft.com...

>I was under the assumption (maybe a poor choice of wording) that when you

> upgrade to Win Vista, it gives you a choice of doing a clean install

> instead

> of the upgrade. The install guide notes that a clean install can be done

> under four different scenarios and then gives instructions if you have an

> upgrade copy of Windows Vista by telling you that you have to start the

> upgrade from within Windows choosing CUSTOM during the install.

> --

> Ric Thomas

>

>

> "ricsgone" wrote:

>

>> I am currently running Win XP Pro (32 bit). I am intending to upgrade to

>> Win

>> Vista Home Premium and purchased the upgrade in 32 bit but have ordered

>> the

>> 64 bit DVD from MS. Here's the question: Can I go ahead and upgrade

>> using

>> the 32 bit version I have and then upgrade that to the 64 bit version

>> when it

>> arrives?

>>

>> My system is a new build; Core 2 Duo E8400, Asus P5K Deluxe MB, 8 Gb OCZ

>> Platinum, nVidia 9600 GT (512) Direct X 10 and 2 x 320Gb Seagate SATA

>> drives.

>> All of my equipment supports 64 bit.

>> --

>> Ric Thomas

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Vista 64 bit

 

It took me about a week from the order to delivery (twice) so you would not

have to wait very long.

 

"ricsgone" <ricsgone@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:547CA3F9-9B70-4984-9C7D-F34D5B2CBD7D@microsoft.com...

> Thanks R.C. I had planned on doing a clean install since I just built

> this

> and there's really nothing to back up as far as files, settings, etc. I

> guess I just need to understand whether I will still be able to to a clean

> install from Vista 32 to Vista 64 when the DVD arrives or just bag it and

> wait till it arrives before moving from XP to Vista 64.

> --

> Ric Thomas

>

>

> "R. C. White" wrote:

>

>> Hi (again), Ric.

>>

>> Correct. And I think if you go a bit further, you will see that a Custom

>> install is essentially a Clean install.

>>

>> You might want to read this page:

>> http://www.theeldergeekvista.com/vista_upgrade_installation.htm

>>

>> It was the first hit when I Googled for "vista +'custom install'".

>>

>> RC

>> --

>> R. C. White, CPA

>> San Marcos, TX

>> rc@grandecom.net

>> Microsoft Windows MVP

>> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

>>

>> "ricsgone" <ricsgone@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:C441D4F7-4997-4D86-8C01-0E74903BFDE5@microsoft.com...

>> > I was under the assumption (maybe a poor choice of wording) that when

>> > you

>> > upgrade to Win Vista, it gives you a choice of doing a clean install

>> > instead

>> > of the upgrade. The install guide notes that a clean install can be

>> > done

>> > under four different scenarios and then gives instructions if you have

>> > an

>> > upgrade copy of Windows Vista by telling you that you have to start the

>> > upgrade from within Windows choosing CUSTOM during the install.

>> > --

>> > Ric Thomas

>> >

>> >

>> > "ricsgone" wrote:

>> >

>> >> I am currently running Win XP Pro (32 bit). I am intending to upgrade

>> >> to

>> >> Win

>> >> Vista Home Premium and purchased the upgrade in 32 bit but have

>> >> ordered

>> >> the

>> >> 64 bit DVD from MS. Here's the question: Can I go ahead and upgrade

>> >> using

>> >> the 32 bit version I have and then upgrade that to the 64 bit version

>> >> when it

>> >> arrives?

>> >>

>> >> My system is a new build; Core 2 Duo E8400, Asus P5K Deluxe MB, 8 Gb

>> >> OCZ

>> >> Platinum, nVidia 9600 GT (512) Direct X 10 and 2 x 320Gb Seagate SATA

>> >> drives.

>> >> All of my equipment supports 64 bit.

>> >> --

>> >> Ric Thomas

>>

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Vista 64 bit

 

Specifically, the x64 setup is a 64bit program and cannot run on x86 so x64

has to be installed by booting with the dvd. Upgrade is never an option

when booting from the media, even when using 32bit setup in XP. The way

upgrade works in setup, the OS being upgraded has to be running to do an

upgrade in place.

 

"R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message

news:B8C77D79-CA5B-41EA-9667-BFCBE48E2E43@microsoft.com...

> Hi, Ric.

>

> I just want to echo what Bobby said and add: There's no UPGRADE path from

> ANY 32-bit to ANY 64-bit operating system - or vice-versa. A clean

> install is not just recommended; it's required. It's a hardware platform

> thing. :>(

>

> RC

> --

> R. C. White, CPA

> San Marcos, TX

> rc@grandecom.net

> Microsoft Windows MVP

> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

>

> "ricsgone" <ricsgone@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:08D39EFF-E0E0-4E7D-B8D3-7F84A673E275@microsoft.com...

>> I am currently running Win XP Pro (32 bit). I am intending to upgrade to

>> Win

>> Vista Home Premium and purchased the upgrade in 32 bit but have ordered

>> the

>> 64 bit DVD from MS. Here's the question: Can I go ahead and upgrade

>> using

>> the 32 bit version I have and then upgrade that to the 64 bit version

>> when it

>> arrives?

>>

>> My system is a new build; Core 2 Duo E8400, Asus P5K Deluxe MB, 8 Gb OCZ

>> Platinum, nVidia 9600 GT (512) Direct X 10 and 2 x 320Gb Seagate SATA

>> drives.

>> All of my equipment supports 64 bit.

>> --

>> Ric Thomas

>

[Guest Jim]

Re: Vista 64 bit

 

Just so I understand...I have Vista Ultimate 32 upgrade which has the 64 bit

DVD upgrade but how exactly do I go to Vista 64 bit?

You can only install a 64 bit over a 64 bit? If so what do I need to buy.

I have a full version of Vista Home premium and the upgrade verison on Vista

Utlimate.

Thanks

 

 

"R. C. White" wrote:

> Hi, Ric.

>

> I just want to echo what Bobby said and add: There's no UPGRADE path from

> ANY 32-bit to ANY 64-bit operating system - or vice-versa. A clean install

> is not just recommended; it's required. It's a hardware platform thing.

> :>(

>

> RC

> --

> R. C. White, CPA

> San Marcos, TX

> rc@grandecom.net

> Microsoft Windows MVP

> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

>

> "ricsgone" <ricsgone@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:08D39EFF-E0E0-4E7D-B8D3-7F84A673E275@microsoft.com...

> > I am currently running Win XP Pro (32 bit). I am intending to upgrade to

> > Win

> > Vista Home Premium and purchased the upgrade in 32 bit but have ordered

> > the

> > 64 bit DVD from MS. Here's the question: Can I go ahead and upgrade using

> > the 32 bit version I have and then upgrade that to the 64 bit version when

> > it

> > arrives?

> >

> > My system is a new build; Core 2 Duo E8400, Asus P5K Deluxe MB, 8 Gb OCZ

> > Platinum, nVidia 9600 GT (512) Direct X 10 and 2 x 320Gb Seagate SATA

> > drives.

> > All of my equipment supports 64 bit.

> > --

> > Ric Thomas

>

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Vista 64 bit

 

Let's sort this out.

 

Upgrade edition refers to a kind of license. The same upgrade edition

product key will work with both the x86 dvd and the x64 dvd, your choice.

You are licensed to upgrade to Vista Ultimate. That means that you can

replace any Windows from Windows 2000 to the present with VU.

 

Since you want to go from x86 to x64 you are not upgrading the software.

Instead, you are replacing the x86 software with x64 software by

reinstalling Windows using an x64 dvd. Going from x86 to x64 is really

called a migration rather than upgrade.

 

A Vista Ultimate upgrade edition product key allows you to replace your

Vista Home Premium x86 with either Vista Ultimate x86 if you use the x86 dvd

or Vista Ultimate x64 by using the x64 dvd, your choice.

 

To install Vista Ultimate x64 you will have to boot the computer with the

x64 dvd, enter your Vista Ultimate upgrade edition product key, and install

Vista Ultimate over the Vista Home Premium already on the computer. This is

not a problem. This is how it works. You have the choice, after entering

the upgrade product key, of using the Vista disk tools first to remove the

Vista Home Premium from the computer before installing Ultimate x64, but

that is not necessary.

 

"Jim" <Jim@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:8928AA71-A34A-4278-814E-B4F0DD3793C5@microsoft.com...

> Just so I understand...I have Vista Ultimate 32 upgrade which has the 64

> bit

> DVD upgrade but how exactly do I go to Vista 64 bit?

> You can only install a 64 bit over a 64 bit? If so what do I need to buy.

> I have a full version of Vista Home premium and the upgrade verison on

> Vista

> Utlimate.

> Thanks

>

>

[Guest R. C. White]

Re: Vista 64 bit

 

Hi, Jim.

 

"Upgrade" has two meanings in this context.

 

First meaning is the licensing. By buying the upgrade package, you have the

right to upgrade to Vista (either 32-bit or 64-bit) from WinXP or any other

qualifying product.

 

Second is the actual process of installing the new operating system to

replace the old (and retire your right to continue to use the qualifying

product).

 

Because of basic hardware differences, which require different drivers and

other low-level support, you cannot boot into any 32-bit OS and run the

64-bit Setup.exe from there. To run 64-bit Setup, you must boot into a

64-bit system. This can be WinXP x64, if you already have it installed in

your computer. But the most common way to boot into the 64-bit platform is

from the 64-bit Vista DVD.

 

So, as Colin told the OP, you cannot "upgrade" from 32-bit to 64-bit in the

sense of just replacing your 32-bit OS files with 64-bit equivalents while

leaving your existing applications, settings, etc., in place. You MUST do a

clean install (a "custom install"), starting by reformatting the system

partition after Setup "sees" the installed 32-bit system just long enough to

verify that you are eligible to use the Upgrade package. The Upgrade

package saves you money; it does not save you time in migrating from 32-bit

to 64-bit. You must reformat your system partition and reinstall your

applications.

 

So, first backup all your data and any applications that you don't have CDs

or other media for. Then boot from the 64-bit DVD to start Setup. Let it

detect the existence of the qualifying product. Then let it reformat the

partition and install 64-bit Vista. Finally, reinstall your applications

and restore your data files.

 

You COULD upgrade your 32-bit Vista Home Premium to 32-bit Vista Ultimate.

But then you would need to go through the same steps (boot from 64-bit DVD,

reformat, install 64-bit Vista Ultimate, and reinstall apps) to get from

32-bit Ultimate to 64-bit Ultimate. The hurdle is NOT in going from Home to

Ultimate; it's in going from 32-bit to 64-bit.

 

RC

--

R. C. White, CPA

San Marcos, TX

rc@grandecom.net

Microsoft Windows MVP

(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

 

"Jim" <Jim@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:8928AA71-A34A-4278-814E-B4F0DD3793C5@microsoft.com...

> Just so I understand...I have Vista Ultimate 32 upgrade which has the 64

> bit

> DVD upgrade but how exactly do I go to Vista 64 bit?

> You can only install a 64 bit over a 64 bit? If so what do I need to buy.

> I have a full version of Vista Home premium and the upgrade verison on

> Vista

> Utlimate.

> Thanks

>

>

> "R. C. White" wrote:

>

>> Hi, Ric.

>>

>> I just want to echo what Bobby said and add: There's no UPGRADE path

>> from

>> ANY 32-bit to ANY 64-bit operating system - or vice-versa. A clean

>> install

>> is not just recommended; it's required. It's a hardware platform thing.

>> :>(

>>

>> RC

>>

>> "ricsgone" <ricsgone@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:08D39EFF-E0E0-4E7D-B8D3-7F84A673E275@microsoft.com...

>> > I am currently running Win XP Pro (32 bit). I am intending to upgrade

>> > to

>> > Win

>> > Vista Home Premium and purchased the upgrade in 32 bit but have ordered

>> > the

>> > 64 bit DVD from MS. Here's the question: Can I go ahead and upgrade

>> > using

>> > the 32 bit version I have and then upgrade that to the 64 bit version

>> > when

>> > it

>> > arrives?

>> >

>> > My system is a new build; Core 2 Duo E8400, Asus P5K Deluxe MB, 8 Gb

>> > OCZ

>> > Platinum, nVidia 9600 GT (512) Direct X 10 and 2 x 320Gb Seagate SATA

>> > drives.

>> > All of my equipment supports 64 bit.

>> > --

>> > Ric Thomas

[Guest Jeff Gaines]

Re: Vista 64 bit

 

On 01/07/2008 in message

<82DB86F9-183D-4FC9-B4CE-EAE918360B8C@microsoft.com> R. C. White wrote:

>"Upgrade" has two meanings in this context.

 

[snipped but saved]

 

Now that post should be in a FAQ, it's the clearest explanation I've seen

about moving from 32 bit to 64 bit, thank you RCW :-)

 

--

Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK

All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.

[Guest Jim]

Re: Vista 64 bit

 

 

thank you for such a full explainion.

 

Just so I understand my options. As I said my Vista Ultimate is an upgrade

version.

And I am running the 32bit ver.

IF I load my 64bit version will it allow me to install the 64 bit ver by

reformatting and doing a clean install (and I would save my files on another

hard drive).

Will it do a full install even though it would not see a previous 64bit OS,

just my 32 bit ver.

In other words will it install as a full version by reforming the hard drive

and doing a clean install. Does it need to see a older 64bit version first?

Will it give me that choice?

 

Jim

 

"R. C. White" wrote:

> Hi, Jim.

>

> "Upgrade" has two meanings in this context.

>

> First meaning is the licensing. By buying the upgrade package, you have the

> right to upgrade to Vista (either 32-bit or 64-bit) from WinXP or any other

> qualifying product.

>

> Second is the actual process of installing the new operating system to

> replace the old (and retire your right to continue to use the qualifying

> product).

>

> Because of basic hardware differences, which require different drivers and

> other low-level support, you cannot boot into any 32-bit OS and run the

> 64-bit Setup.exe from there. To run 64-bit Setup, you must boot into a

> 64-bit system. This can be WinXP x64, if you already have it installed in

> your computer. But the most common way to boot into the 64-bit platform is

> from the 64-bit Vista DVD.

>

> So, as Colin told the OP, you cannot "upgrade" from 32-bit to 64-bit in the

> sense of just replacing your 32-bit OS files with 64-bit equivalents while

> leaving your existing applications, settings, etc., in place. You MUST do a

> clean install (a "custom install"), starting by reformatting the system

> partition after Setup "sees" the installed 32-bit system just long enough to

> verify that you are eligible to use the Upgrade package. The Upgrade

> package saves you money; it does not save you time in migrating from 32-bit

> to 64-bit. You must reformat your system partition and reinstall your

> applications.

>

> So, first backup all your data and any applications that you don't have CDs

> or other media for. Then boot from the 64-bit DVD to start Setup. Let it

> detect the existence of the qualifying product. Then let it reformat the

> partition and install 64-bit Vista. Finally, reinstall your applications

> and restore your data files.

>

> You COULD upgrade your 32-bit Vista Home Premium to 32-bit Vista Ultimate.

> But then you would need to go through the same steps (boot from 64-bit DVD,

> reformat, install 64-bit Vista Ultimate, and reinstall apps) to get from

> 32-bit Ultimate to 64-bit Ultimate. The hurdle is NOT in going from Home to

> Ultimate; it's in going from 32-bit to 64-bit.

>

> RC

> --

> R. C. White, CPA

> San Marcos, TX

> rc@grandecom.net

> Microsoft Windows MVP

> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

>

> "Jim" <Jim@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:8928AA71-A34A-4278-814E-B4F0DD3793C5@microsoft.com...

> > Just so I understand...I have Vista Ultimate 32 upgrade which has the 64

> > bit

> > DVD upgrade but how exactly do I go to Vista 64 bit?

> > You can only install a 64 bit over a 64 bit? If so what do I need to buy.

> > I have a full version of Vista Home premium and the upgrade verison on

> > Vista

> > Utlimate.

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> > "R. C. White" wrote:

> >

> >> Hi, Ric.

> >>

> >> I just want to echo what Bobby said and add: There's no UPGRADE path

> >> from

> >> ANY 32-bit to ANY 64-bit operating system - or vice-versa. A clean

> >> install

> >> is not just recommended; it's required. It's a hardware platform thing.

> >> :>(

> >>

> >> RC

> >>

> >> "ricsgone" <ricsgone@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:08D39EFF-E0E0-4E7D-B8D3-7F84A673E275@microsoft.com...

> >> > I am currently running Win XP Pro (32 bit). I am intending to upgrade

> >> > to

> >> > Win

> >> > Vista Home Premium and purchased the upgrade in 32 bit but have ordered

> >> > the

> >> > 64 bit DVD from MS. Here's the question: Can I go ahead and upgrade

> >> > using

> >> > the 32 bit version I have and then upgrade that to the 64 bit version

> >> > when

> >> > it

> >> > arrives?

> >> >

> >> > My system is a new build; Core 2 Duo E8400, Asus P5K Deluxe MB, 8 Gb

> >> > OCZ

> >> > Platinum, nVidia 9600 GT (512) Direct X 10 and 2 x 320Gb Seagate SATA

> >> > drives.

> >> > All of my equipment supports 64 bit.

> >> > --

> >> > Ric Thomas

>

[Guest R. C. White]

Re: Vista 64 bit

 

Hi, Jim.

 

The 64-bit upgrade needs to see a qualifying product already installed.

That product does NOT need to be a 64-bit version.

 

We probably should have just sent you to this KB article in the first place,

Jim:

Installation choices for 64-bit consumer versions of Windows Vista

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932795/en-us

 

But there is a wrinkle in that KB that I was not aware of - and it might

cause you a problem.

> And I am running the 32bit ver.

 

The 32-bit version of WHAT? Vista Home Premium x86? You've mentioned

several versions and said you HAVE them, but I don't think you've said

clearly what version is currently INSTALLED - what you plan to upgrade FROM.

What version was pre-installed on the computer when you bought it, if any?

Some of the rules are quite different for OEM versions of Windows/Vista.

 

In the KB article, first there is the section that I was thinking of,

dealing with "upgrading" from WinXP x86:

 

<paste>

Installing a 64-bit version of Windows Vista on a computer that is running a

32-bit version of Windows XP or of Windows 2000

Most Windows XP and Windows 2000 users have the 32-bit version of these

operating systems. For example, Windows 2000, Windows XP Home, Windows

Tablet Edition and Windows Media Center Edition only come in 32-bit

versions. For these operating systems, there is no upgrade installation path

available when you upgrade from a 32-bit operating system to a 64-bit

operating system. However, you can perform a custom installation that uses

an upgrade license.

 

After you purchase a Windows Vista DVD, follow these steps:

1. Back up all the data and the settings by using Windows XP Backup.

 

Note You can also use Windows Easy Transfer. This back up program is

available on the Windows Vista DVD. However, you must use the version that

is on the 32-bit Windows Vista DVD if you want to use Windows Easy Transfer

to back up a 32-bit version of Windows.

 

2. Insert the 64-bit version of Windows Vista into the system DVD drive, and

then restart the computer.

3. Start Windows Vista Setup from the DVD when you are prompted.

 

Note You must start Windows Vista Setup by starting the computer from the

Windows Vista 64-bit DVD. The installation package will not run on a 32-bit

operating system.

 

4. When you are prompted during Windows Vista Setup, remember to select

Custom as the installation type.

5. After installation is complete, you can restore the data from its backup

location.

</paste>

 

But then there is this section, which seems to fit YOUR situation:

 

<paste>

Installing a 64-bit version of Windows Vista on computer that is running a

32-bit version of Windows Vista

If you have purchased an Upgrade license together with a Windows Vista DVD,

you must use one of the following methods.

Method 1

Purchase a full version of the 64-bit version of Windows Vista.

Method 2

1. Remove the 32-bit version of Windows Vista.

2. Install Windows XP.

3. Install the 64-bit version of Windows Vista by using an installation

method that is listed earlier in this article.

</paste>

 

This seems to say that you MUST revert from Vista x86 to WinXP before

installing Vista x64! :>(

 

Maybe Colin (or Darrell) can explain this part.

 

RC

--

R. C. White, CPA

San Marcos, TX

rc@grandecom.net

Microsoft Windows MVP

(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

 

"Jim" <Jim@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:DED3AF44-0670-4B44-ADD8-2B79EF32D402@microsoft.com...

>

> thank you for such a full explainion.

>

> Just so I understand my options. As I said my Vista Ultimate is an

> upgrade

> version.

> And I am running the 32bit ver.

> IF I load my 64bit version will it allow me to install the 64 bit ver by

> reformatting and doing a clean install (and I would save my files on

> another

> hard drive).

> Will it do a full install even though it would not see a previous 64bit

> OS,

> just my 32 bit ver.

> In other words will it install as a full version by reforming the hard

> drive

> and doing a clean install. Does it need to see a older 64bit version

> first?

> Will it give me that choice?

>

> Jim

>

> "R. C. White" wrote:

>

>> Hi, Jim.

>>

>> "Upgrade" has two meanings in this context.

>>

>> First meaning is the licensing. By buying the upgrade package, you have

>> the

>> right to upgrade to Vista (either 32-bit or 64-bit) from WinXP or any

>> other

>> qualifying product.

>>

>> Second is the actual process of installing the new operating system to

>> replace the old (and retire your right to continue to use the qualifying

>> product).

>>

>> Because of basic hardware differences, which require different drivers

>> and

>> other low-level support, you cannot boot into any 32-bit OS and run the

>> 64-bit Setup.exe from there. To run 64-bit Setup, you must boot into a

>> 64-bit system. This can be WinXP x64, if you already have it installed

>> in

>> your computer. But the most common way to boot into the 64-bit platform

>> is

>> from the 64-bit Vista DVD.

>>

>> So, as Colin told the OP, you cannot "upgrade" from 32-bit to 64-bit in

>> the

>> sense of just replacing your 32-bit OS files with 64-bit equivalents

>> while

>> leaving your existing applications, settings, etc., in place. You MUST

>> do a

>> clean install (a "custom install"), starting by reformatting the system

>> partition after Setup "sees" the installed 32-bit system just long enough

>> to

>> verify that you are eligible to use the Upgrade package. The Upgrade

>> package saves you money; it does not save you time in migrating from

>> 32-bit

>> to 64-bit. You must reformat your system partition and reinstall your

>> applications.

>>

>> So, first backup all your data and any applications that you don't have

>> CDs

>> or other media for. Then boot from the 64-bit DVD to start Setup. Let

>> it

>> detect the existence of the qualifying product. Then let it reformat the

>> partition and install 64-bit Vista. Finally, reinstall your applications

>> and restore your data files.

>>

>> You COULD upgrade your 32-bit Vista Home Premium to 32-bit Vista

>> Ultimate.

>> But then you would need to go through the same steps (boot from 64-bit

>> DVD,

>> reformat, install 64-bit Vista Ultimate, and reinstall apps) to get from

>> 32-bit Ultimate to 64-bit Ultimate. The hurdle is NOT in going from Home

>> to

>> Ultimate; it's in going from 32-bit to 64-bit.

>>

>> RC

>>

>> "Jim" <Jim@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:8928AA71-A34A-4278-814E-B4F0DD3793C5@microsoft.com...

>> > Just so I understand...I have Vista Ultimate 32 upgrade which has the

>> > 64

>> > bit

>> > DVD upgrade but how exactly do I go to Vista 64 bit?

>> > You can only install a 64 bit over a 64 bit? If so what do I need to

>> > buy.

>> > I have a full version of Vista Home premium and the upgrade verison on

>> > Vista

>> > Utlimate.

>> > Thanks

>> >

>> >

>> > "R. C. White" wrote:

>> >

>> >> Hi, Ric.

>> >>

>> >> I just want to echo what Bobby said and add: There's no UPGRADE path

>> >> from

>> >> ANY 32-bit to ANY 64-bit operating system - or vice-versa. A clean

>> >> install

>> >> is not just recommended; it's required. It's a hardware platform

>> >> thing.

>> >> :>(

>> >>

>> >> RC

>> >>

>> >> "ricsgone" <ricsgone@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:08D39EFF-E0E0-4E7D-B8D3-7F84A673E275@microsoft.com...

>> >> > I am currently running Win XP Pro (32 bit). I am intending to

>> >> > upgrade

>> >> > to

>> >> > Win

>> >> > Vista Home Premium and purchased the upgrade in 32 bit but have

>> >> > ordered

>> >> > the

>> >> > 64 bit DVD from MS. Here's the question: Can I go ahead and upgrade

>> >> > using

>> >> > the 32 bit version I have and then upgrade that to the 64 bit

>> >> > version

>> >> > when

>> >> > it

>> >> > arrives?

>> >> >

>> >> > My system is a new build; Core 2 Duo E8400, Asus P5K Deluxe MB, 8 Gb

>> >> > OCZ

>> >> > Platinum, nVidia 9600 GT (512) Direct X 10 and 2 x 320Gb Seagate

>> >> > SATA

>> >> > drives.

>> >> > All of my equipment supports 64 bit.

>> >> > --

>> >> > Ric Thomas

[Guest R. C. White]

Re: Vista 64 bit

 

Hi, Jeff.

 

Thanks for the kind words. ;<)

 

RC

--

R. C. White, CPA

San Marcos, TX

rc@grandecom.net

Microsoft Windows MVP

(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

 

"Jeff Gaines" <whitedragon@newsgroups.nospam> wrote in message

news:xn0fs5r6cuzlm4j003@msnews.microsoft.com...

> On 01/07/2008 in message

> <82DB86F9-183D-4FC9-B4CE-EAE918360B8C@microsoft.com> R. C. White wrote:

>

>>"Upgrade" has two meanings in this context.

>

> [snipped but saved]

>

> Now that post should be in a FAQ, it's the clearest explanation I've seen

> about moving from 32 bit to 64 bit, thank you RCW :-)

>

> --

> Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK

> All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Vista 64 bit

 

You're welcome.

 

The clarifications.

>IF I load my 64bit version will it allow me to install the 64 bit ver by

> reformatting and doing a clean install (and I would save my files on

> another

> hard drive).

 

You are not required to reformat and do a clean install in the classic

sense. It is not necessary but it will be available to you. If you do not

use the disk tools at all but just follow the instructions you will see

still see the same two options, upgrade (disabled in the present case) and

custom. Custom will roll up the old 32bit Windows into windows.old files

and then install the 64bit Windows. You can deal with the windows.old

folders later or not as you wish.

 

You will also have the option of using the disk tools if you wish before

installing the 64bit Windows in which case there will be no windows.old

folders afterwards. The simplest is to just follow the steps and not worry

about reformatting and such. Some people think you have to do a classic

clean install because they always did with earlier Windows. But the Vista

installer works differently from any earlier version and not reformatting

does not have the same issues. In other words, you can't get hurt either

way now.

> Will it do a full install even though it would not see a previous 64bit

> OS,

> just my 32 bit ver.

 

Vista Setup immediately scans the computer for existing Windows as soon as

you enter the upgrade edition product key. It is very nearly instantaneous.

It doesn't care about the bitness. It finds the existing Windows and then

just lets you proceed. No messages. From that moment on Setup doesn't care

about the existing Windows anymore. It has satisfied itself that you

qualify to perform an installation using the upgrade pk. It doesn't check

again. From that point on it just lets you get on with things your own way.

It doesn't matter if you remove the existing Windows after the verification

of your pk because Vista Setup is not going to look for it again.

> In other words will it install as a full version by reforming the hard

> drive

> and doing a clean install. Does it need to see a older 64bit version

> first?

> Will it give me that choice?

 

If you use an upgrade pk Setup does need to see an existing Windows but it

does not have to be 64bit and it does not have to keep seeing it all through

the installation process. All the existing Windows has to be is Windows

2000 Professional or later, any bitness.

 

All installations of Vista are clean installations of the operating system.

As I said, Vista Setup uses an imaging technology in which the formatting is

inherent in the image. Setup will only reformat the rest of the drive if it

is not already formatted NTFS or if you use the disk tools to do it before

confirming installation. Setup will give you choices about where to

install Windows if more than one partition is available.

 

"Jim" <Jim@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:DED3AF44-0670-4B44-ADD8-2B79EF32D402@microsoft.com...

>

> thank you for such a full explainion.

>

> Just so I understand my options. As I said my Vista Ultimate is an

> upgrade

> version.

> And I am running the 32bit ver.

> IF I load my 64bit version will it allow me to install the 64 bit ver by

> reformatting and doing a clean install (and I would save my files on

> another

> hard drive).

> Will it do a full install even though it would not see a previous 64bit

> OS,

> just my 32 bit ver.

> In other words will it install as a full version by reforming the hard

> drive

> and doing a clean install. Does it need to see a older 64bit version

> first?

> Will it give me that choice?

>

> Jim

>

[Guest Jim]

Re: Vista 64 bit

 

Thank you, I will read it. And thank you for your clear info. It is MOST

helpful!

 

Jim

 

 

 

 

"R. C. White" wrote:

> Hi, Jim.

>

> The 64-bit upgrade needs to see a qualifying product already installed.

> That product does NOT need to be a 64-bit version.

>

> We probably should have just sent you to this KB article in the first place,

> Jim:

> Installation choices for 64-bit consumer versions of Windows Vista

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932795/en-us

>

> But there is a wrinkle in that KB that I was not aware of - and it might

> cause you a problem.

>

> > And I am running the 32bit ver.

>

> The 32-bit version of WHAT? Vista Home Premium x86? You've mentioned

> several versions and said you HAVE them, but I don't think you've said

> clearly what version is currently INSTALLED - what you plan to upgrade FROM.

> What version was pre-installed on the computer when you bought it, if any?

> Some of the rules are quite different for OEM versions of Windows/Vista.

>

> In the KB article, first there is the section that I was thinking of,

> dealing with "upgrading" from WinXP x86:

>

> <paste>

> Installing a 64-bit version of Windows Vista on a computer that is running a

> 32-bit version of Windows XP or of Windows 2000

> Most Windows XP and Windows 2000 users have the 32-bit version of these

> operating systems. For example, Windows 2000, Windows XP Home, Windows

> Tablet Edition and Windows Media Center Edition only come in 32-bit

> versions. For these operating systems, there is no upgrade installation path

> available when you upgrade from a 32-bit operating system to a 64-bit

> operating system. However, you can perform a custom installation that uses

> an upgrade license.

>

> After you purchase a Windows Vista DVD, follow these steps:

> 1. Back up all the data and the settings by using Windows XP Backup.

>

> Note You can also use Windows Easy Transfer. This back up program is

> available on the Windows Vista DVD. However, you must use the version that

> is on the 32-bit Windows Vista DVD if you want to use Windows Easy Transfer

> to back up a 32-bit version of Windows.

>

> 2. Insert the 64-bit version of Windows Vista into the system DVD drive, and

> then restart the computer.

> 3. Start Windows Vista Setup from the DVD when you are prompted.

>

> Note You must start Windows Vista Setup by starting the computer from the

> Windows Vista 64-bit DVD. The installation package will not run on a 32-bit

> operating system.

>

> 4. When you are prompted during Windows Vista Setup, remember to select

> Custom as the installation type.

> 5. After installation is complete, you can restore the data from its backup

> location.

> </paste>

>

> But then there is this section, which seems to fit YOUR situation:

>

> <paste>

> Installing a 64-bit version of Windows Vista on computer that is running a

> 32-bit version of Windows Vista

> If you have purchased an Upgrade license together with a Windows Vista DVD,

> you must use one of the following methods.

> Method 1

> Purchase a full version of the 64-bit version of Windows Vista.

> Method 2

> 1. Remove the 32-bit version of Windows Vista.

> 2. Install Windows XP.

> 3. Install the 64-bit version of Windows Vista by using an installation

> method that is listed earlier in this article.

> </paste>

>

> This seems to say that you MUST revert from Vista x86 to WinXP before

> installing Vista x64! :>(

>

> Maybe Colin (or Darrell) can explain this part.

>

> RC

> --

> R. C. White, CPA

> San Marcos, TX

> rc@grandecom.net

> Microsoft Windows MVP

> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

>

> "Jim" <Jim@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:DED3AF44-0670-4B44-ADD8-2B79EF32D402@microsoft.com...

> >

> > thank you for such a full explainion.

> >

> > Just so I understand my options. As I said my Vista Ultimate is an

> > upgrade

> > version.

> > And I am running the 32bit ver.

> > IF I load my 64bit version will it allow me to install the 64 bit ver by

> > reformatting and doing a clean install (and I would save my files on

> > another

> > hard drive).

> > Will it do a full install even though it would not see a previous 64bit

> > OS,

> > just my 32 bit ver.

> > In other words will it install as a full version by reforming the hard

> > drive

> > and doing a clean install. Does it need to see a older 64bit version

> > first?

> > Will it give me that choice?

> >

> > Jim

> >

> > "R. C. White" wrote:

> >

> >> Hi, Jim.

> >>

> >> "Upgrade" has two meanings in this context.

> >>

> >> First meaning is the licensing. By buying the upgrade package, you have

> >> the

> >> right to upgrade to Vista (either 32-bit or 64-bit) from WinXP or any

> >> other

> >> qualifying product.

> >>

> >> Second is the actual process of installing the new operating system to

> >> replace the old (and retire your right to continue to use the qualifying

> >> product).

> >>

> >> Because of basic hardware differences, which require different drivers

> >> and

> >> other low-level support, you cannot boot into any 32-bit OS and run the

> >> 64-bit Setup.exe from there. To run 64-bit Setup, you must boot into a

> >> 64-bit system. This can be WinXP x64, if you already have it installed

> >> in

> >> your computer. But the most common way to boot into the 64-bit platform

> >> is

> >> from the 64-bit Vista DVD.

> >>

> >> So, as Colin told the OP, you cannot "upgrade" from 32-bit to 64-bit in

> >> the

> >> sense of just replacing your 32-bit OS files with 64-bit equivalents

> >> while

> >> leaving your existing applications, settings, etc., in place. You MUST

> >> do a

> >> clean install (a "custom install"), starting by reformatting the system

> >> partition after Setup "sees" the installed 32-bit system just long enough

> >> to

> >> verify that you are eligible to use the Upgrade package. The Upgrade

> >> package saves you money; it does not save you time in migrating from

> >> 32-bit

> >> to 64-bit. You must reformat your system partition and reinstall your

> >> applications.

> >>

> >> So, first backup all your data and any applications that you don't have

> >> CDs

> >> or other media for. Then boot from the 64-bit DVD to start Setup. Let

> >> it

> >> detect the existence of the qualifying product. Then let it reformat the

> >> partition and install 64-bit Vista. Finally, reinstall your applications

> >> and restore your data files.

> >>

> >> You COULD upgrade your 32-bit Vista Home Premium to 32-bit Vista

> >> Ultimate.

> >> But then you would need to go through the same steps (boot from 64-bit

> >> DVD,

> >> reformat, install 64-bit Vista Ultimate, and reinstall apps) to get from

> >> 32-bit Ultimate to 64-bit Ultimate. The hurdle is NOT in going from Home

> >> to

> >> Ultimate; it's in going from 32-bit to 64-bit.

> >>

> >> RC

> >>

> >> "Jim" <Jim@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:8928AA71-A34A-4278-814E-B4F0DD3793C5@microsoft.com...

> >> > Just so I understand...I have Vista Ultimate 32 upgrade which has the

> >> > 64

> >> > bit

> >> > DVD upgrade but how exactly do I go to Vista 64 bit?

> >> > You can only install a 64 bit over a 64 bit? If so what do I need to

> >> > buy.

> >> > I have a full version of Vista Home premium and the upgrade verison on

> >> > Vista

> >> > Utlimate.

> >> > Thanks

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > "R. C. White" wrote:

> >> >

> >> >> Hi, Ric.

> >> >>

> >> >> I just want to echo what Bobby said and add: There's no UPGRADE path

> >> >> from

> >> >> ANY 32-bit to ANY 64-bit operating system - or vice-versa. A clean

> >> >> install

> >> >> is not just recommended; it's required. It's a hardware platform

> >> >> thing.

> >> >> :>(

> >> >>

> >> >> RC

> >> >>

> >> >> "ricsgone" <ricsgone@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> >> news:08D39EFF-E0E0-4E7D-B8D3-7F84A673E275@microsoft.com...

> >> >> > I am currently running Win XP Pro (32 bit). I am intending to

> >> >> > upgrade

> >> >> > to

> >> >> > Win

> >> >> > Vista Home Premium and purchased the upgrade in 32 bit but have

> >> >> > ordered

> >> >> > the

> >> >> > 64 bit DVD from MS. Here's the question: Can I go ahead and upgrade

> >> >> > using

> >> >> > the 32 bit version I have and then upgrade that to the 64 bit

> >> >> > version

> >> >> > when

> >> >> > it

> >> >> > arrives?

> >> >> >

> >> >> > My system is a new build; Core 2 Duo E8400, Asus P5K Deluxe MB, 8 Gb

> >> >> > OCZ

> >> >> > Platinum, nVidia 9600 GT (512) Direct X 10 and 2 x 320Gb Seagate

> >> >> > SATA

> >> >> > drives.

> >> >> > All of my equipment supports 64 bit.

> >> >> > --

> >> >> > Ric Thomas

>

[Guest Jim]

Re: Vista 64 bit

 

 

 

Well I did fhally get the 64bit to install but it was draining. Each time I

tired to do a clean install Vista Ultimate 64 would say I did not have a

genuine copy of windows installed, which was not true but after 4 different

department calls to Microsoft I was handed off to India and the guy stayed

with me thru the whole install.

No one know why it did not see a real copy of Vista but he changed the key

and reset it back to the original. In any case it is working...sort of..

My problem now is ...and I am not sure this is the right forum so maybe you

can point me in the right direction.

Vista Ultimate will only see 4 gb of my ram instead of the 8 I have and even

tho I download the 64bit drivers for my Nvidia Geforce 8800GT, Vista only

see's that is a Nivdia card but only gives me a 1 on the graphics index which

is not even close to the 5.7 I should have.

So perhaps you could tell me where to solve this as well?

 

Jim

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> You're welcome.

>

> The clarifications.

>

> >IF I load my 64bit version will it allow me to install the 64 bit ver by

> > reformatting and doing a clean install (and I would save my files on

> > another

> > hard drive).

>

> You are not required to reformat and do a clean install in the classic

> sense. It is not necessary but it will be available to you. If you do not

> use the disk tools at all but just follow the instructions you will see

> still see the same two options, upgrade (disabled in the present case) and

> custom. Custom will roll up the old 32bit Windows into windows.old files

> and then install the 64bit Windows. You can deal with the windows.old

> folders later or not as you wish.

>

> You will also have the option of using the disk tools if you wish before

> installing the 64bit Windows in which case there will be no windows.old

> folders afterwards. The simplest is to just follow the steps and not worry

> about reformatting and such. Some people think you have to do a classic

> clean install because they always did with earlier Windows. But the Vista

> installer works differently from any earlier version and not reformatting

> does not have the same issues. In other words, you can't get hurt either

> way now.

>

> > Will it do a full install even though it would not see a previous 64bit

> > OS,

> > just my 32 bit ver.

>

> Vista Setup immediately scans the computer for existing Windows as soon as

> you enter the upgrade edition product key. It is very nearly instantaneous.

> It doesn't care about the bitness. It finds the existing Windows and then

> just lets you proceed. No messages. From that moment on Setup doesn't care

> about the existing Windows anymore. It has satisfied itself that you

> qualify to perform an installation using the upgrade pk. It doesn't check

> again. From that point on it just lets you get on with things your own way.

> It doesn't matter if you remove the existing Windows after the verification

> of your pk because Vista Setup is not going to look for it again.

>

> > In other words will it install as a full version by reforming the hard

> > drive

> > and doing a clean install. Does it need to see a older 64bit version

> > first?

> > Will it give me that choice?

>

> If you use an upgrade pk Setup does need to see an existing Windows but it

> does not have to be 64bit and it does not have to keep seeing it all through

> the installation process. All the existing Windows has to be is Windows

> 2000 Professional or later, any bitness.

>

> All installations of Vista are clean installations of the operating system.

> As I said, Vista Setup uses an imaging technology in which the formatting is

> inherent in the image. Setup will only reformat the rest of the drive if it

> is not already formatted NTFS or if you use the disk tools to do it before

> confirming installation. Setup will give you choices about where to

> install Windows if more than one partition is available.

>

> "Jim" <Jim@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:DED3AF44-0670-4B44-ADD8-2B79EF32D402@microsoft.com...

> >

> > thank you for such a full explainion.

> >

> > Just so I understand my options. As I said my Vista Ultimate is an

> > upgrade

> > version.

> > And I am running the 32bit ver.

> > IF I load my 64bit version will it allow me to install the 64 bit ver by

> > reformatting and doing a clean install (and I would save my files on

> > another

> > hard drive).

> > Will it do a full install even though it would not see a previous 64bit

> > OS,

> > just my 32 bit ver.

> > In other words will it install as a full version by reforming the hard

> > drive

> > and doing a clean install. Does it need to see a older 64bit version

> > first?

> > Will it give me that choice?

> >

> > Jim

> >

>

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Vista 64 bit

 

Probably ought to post these two question in the

microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices newsgroup as well.

 

Make sure you have installed 64bit drivers for the mobo as well.

 

"Jim" <Jim@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:95311B0C-8C6A-417E-A467-3C547CF42BA2@microsoft.com...

>

>

> Well I did fhally get the 64bit to install but it was draining. Each time

> I

> tired to do a clean install Vista Ultimate 64 would say I did not have a

> genuine copy of windows installed, which was not true but after 4

> different

> department calls to Microsoft I was handed off to India and the guy stayed

> with me thru the whole install.

> No one know why it did not see a real copy of Vista but he changed the key

> and reset it back to the original. In any case it is working...sort of..

> My problem now is ...and I am not sure this is the right forum so maybe

> you

> can point me in the right direction.

> Vista Ultimate will only see 4 gb of my ram instead of the 8 I have and

> even

> tho I download the 64bit drivers for my Nvidia Geforce 8800GT, Vista only

> see's that is a Nivdia card but only gives me a 1 on the graphics index

> which

> is not even close to the 5.7 I should have.

> So perhaps you could tell me where to solve this as well?

>

> Jim

> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

>

>> You're welcome.

>>

>> The clarifications.

>>

>> >IF I load my 64bit version will it allow me to install the 64 bit ver

>> by

>> > reformatting and doing a clean install (and I would save my files on

>> > another

>> > hard drive).

>>

>> You are not required to reformat and do a clean install in the classic

>> sense. It is not necessary but it will be available to you. If you do

>> not

>> use the disk tools at all but just follow the instructions you will see

>> still see the same two options, upgrade (disabled in the present case)

>> and

>> custom. Custom will roll up the old 32bit Windows into windows.old files

>> and then install the 64bit Windows. You can deal with the windows.old

>> folders later or not as you wish.

>>

>> You will also have the option of using the disk tools if you wish before

>> installing the 64bit Windows in which case there will be no windows.old

>> folders afterwards. The simplest is to just follow the steps and not

>> worry

>> about reformatting and such. Some people think you have to do a classic

>> clean install because they always did with earlier Windows. But the

>> Vista

>> installer works differently from any earlier version and not reformatting

>> does not have the same issues. In other words, you can't get hurt either

>> way now.

>>

>> > Will it do a full install even though it would not see a previous 64bit

>> > OS,

>> > just my 32 bit ver.

>>

>> Vista Setup immediately scans the computer for existing Windows as soon

>> as

>> you enter the upgrade edition product key. It is very nearly

>> instantaneous.

>> It doesn't care about the bitness. It finds the existing Windows and

>> then

>> just lets you proceed. No messages. From that moment on Setup doesn't

>> care

>> about the existing Windows anymore. It has satisfied itself that you

>> qualify to perform an installation using the upgrade pk. It doesn't

>> check

>> again. From that point on it just lets you get on with things your own

>> way.

>> It doesn't matter if you remove the existing Windows after the

>> verification

>> of your pk because Vista Setup is not going to look for it again.

>>

>> > In other words will it install as a full version by reforming the hard

>> > drive

>> > and doing a clean install. Does it need to see a older 64bit version

>> > first?

>> > Will it give me that choice?

>>

>> If you use an upgrade pk Setup does need to see an existing Windows but

>> it

>> does not have to be 64bit and it does not have to keep seeing it all

>> through

>> the installation process. All the existing Windows has to be is Windows

>> 2000 Professional or later, any bitness.

>>

>> All installations of Vista are clean installations of the operating

>> system.

>> As I said, Vista Setup uses an imaging technology in which the formatting

>> is

>> inherent in the image. Setup will only reformat the rest of the drive if

>> it

>> is not already formatted NTFS or if you use the disk tools to do it

>> before

>> confirming installation. Setup will give you choices about where to

>> install Windows if more than one partition is available.

>>

>> "Jim" <Jim@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:DED3AF44-0670-4B44-ADD8-2B79EF32D402@microsoft.com...

>> >

>> > thank you for such a full explainion.

>> >

>> > Just so I understand my options. As I said my Vista Ultimate is an

>> > upgrade

>> > version.

>> > And I am running the 32bit ver.

>> > IF I load my 64bit version will it allow me to install the 64 bit ver

>> > by

>> > reformatting and doing a clean install (and I would save my files on

>> > another

>> > hard drive).

>> > Will it do a full install even though it would not see a previous 64bit

>> > OS,

>> > just my 32 bit ver.

>> > In other words will it install as a full version by reforming the hard

>> > drive

>> > and doing a clean install. Does it need to see a older 64bit version

>> > first?

>> > Will it give me that choice?

>> >

>> > Jim

>> >

>>