Guest h.stroph Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 I was given a Toshiba Satellite 305CDS laptop with a 2GB disk and 32MB of memory that had a bunch of personal data on a win2000 installation, so I wiped the disk and tried to install my own licensed win2000 from CD after booting from the 4 boot floppies. At about 51% of files copied, it is unable to copy several dll files from the CD for some reason, even when I choose to skip a problem file. Is the 2GB disk too small? It formats cleanly with the NTFS filesystem and no errors, and the low-level formatter I used to wipe the disk also reported no errors. memtest86 shows no errors with any of the memory. What might be the problem with this win2000 install please?
Guest DL Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 Re: win2000 install problem http://support.microsoft.com/kb/304297 Your hw appears to meet the *minimum* system requirements, though I didnt check your cpu. Did you prepare / partition / format the hd with the installation cd or did you use a third party utility? "h.stroph" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:g1lejr$v9j$1@aioe.org... >I was given a Toshiba Satellite 305CDS laptop with a 2GB disk and 32MB of > memory that had a bunch of personal data on a win2000 installation, so I > wiped the disk and tried to install my own licensed win2000 from CD after > booting from the 4 boot floppies. > > At about 51% of files copied, it is unable to copy several dll files from > the CD for some reason, even when I choose to skip a problem file. > > Is the 2GB disk too small? It formats cleanly with the NTFS filesystem and > no errors, and the low-level formatter I used to wipe the disk also > reported > no errors. memtest86 shows no errors with any of the memory. > > What might be the problem with this win2000 install please? > >
Guest Meinolf Weber Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 Re: win2000 install problem Hello h.stroph, Can be the installation disk or the cd-rom drive, do you have another one? Best regards Meinolf Weber Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm > I was given a Toshiba Satellite 305CDS laptop with a 2GB disk and 32MB > of memory that had a bunch of personal data on a win2000 installation, > so I wiped the disk and tried to install my own licensed win2000 from > CD after booting from the 4 boot floppies. > > At about 51% of files copied, it is unable to copy several dll files > from the CD for some reason, even when I choose to skip a problem > file. > > Is the 2GB disk too small? It formats cleanly with the NTFS filesystem > and no errors, and the low-level formatter I used to wipe the disk > also reported no errors. memtest86 shows no errors with any of the > memory. > > What might be the problem with this win2000 install please? >
Guest h.stroph Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 Re: win2000 install problem In news:uy4cwnXwIHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl, DL <address@invalid> typed: > Did you prepare / partition / format the hd with the installation cd > or did you use a third party utility? The disk was "wiped" using Maxtor's maxllf.exe low-level formatter from a win98 boot floppy. Then, win2000 was booted from the 4 boot floppies created on another machine from the installation CD with the makeboot.exe program, which then read the remainder of the installtion from the CD after it caused a reboot. The win2000 setup saw the disk with no partition table and offered a choice of NTFS or FAT32, and I chose NTFS on a single partition. No problems were encountered until 51% of the files from the CD were copied, at which time dll file copies were failing.
Guest h.stroph Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 Re: win2000 install problem In news:ff16fb669deb68ca8fa3f00dcaa0@msnews.microsoft.com, Meinolf Weber <meiweb(nospam)@gmx.de> typed: > Can be the installation disk or the cd-rom drive, do you have another > one? The CD installs successfully on a "regular" desktop box, and the Toshiba drive always quits at the same 51% into the file copy, so I have confidence that both the CD and the drive are functional, otherwise it would quit at various intervals into the install.. How much space does a basic win2000 install take, please? Is a 2 GB disk large enough?
Guest Dave Patrick Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: win2000 install problem Seems like somewhere ~1 gB The installation routine checks the available space before beginning. -- Regards, Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup. Microsoft Certified Professional Microsoft MVP [Windows] http://www.microsoft.com/protect "h.stroph" wrote: <snip> > How much space does a basic win2000 install take, please? Is a 2 GB disk > large enough? > >
Guest Ben Myers Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: win2000 install problem "h.stroph" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:g1lejr$v9j$1@aioe.org... > I was given a Toshiba Satellite 305CDS laptop with a 2GB disk and 32MB of > memory that had a bunch of personal data on a win2000 installation, so I > wiped the disk and tried to install my own licensed win2000 from CD after > booting from the 4 boot floppies. > At about 51% of files copied, it is unable to copy several dll files from > the CD for some reason, even when I choose to skip a problem file. > Is the 2GB disk too small? It formats cleanly with the NTFS filesystem and > no errors, and the low-level formatter I used to wipe the disk also reported > no errors. memtest86 shows no errors with any of the memory. > What might be the problem with this win2000 install please? You may need to update the BIOS. http://tinyurl.com/46k7xv Ben
Guest h.stroph Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: win2000 install problem In news:%23a3Zf2hwIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl, Ben Myers <benjmyers@mindR-e-m-o-v-Espring.com> typed: >> What might be the problem with this win2000 install please? > > You may need to update the BIOS. > http://tinyurl.com/46k7xv Thank you. I upgraded the BIOS with the information found at the above URL, and the boot floppy created as a result reported a successful BIOS upgrade when the Toshiba was booted from it. Unfortunetly, the installation still fails at 51% of files copied, this time while copying nbf.sys. If I <esc> to skip the file, then the same happens on 52% ndis.sys and all subsequent files. The only other thing I can think of trying is to format the filesystem as FAT32, although I can't really see why it would affect things ... sort of desperation mode, I guess.
Guest John John (MVP) Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: win2000 install problem h.stroph wrote: > In news:%23a3Zf2hwIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl, > Ben Myers <benjmyers@mindR-e-m-o-v-Espring.com> typed: > > >>>What might be the problem with this win2000 install please? >> >>You may need to update the BIOS. >>http://tinyurl.com/46k7xv > > > Thank you. I upgraded the BIOS with the information found at the above URL, > and the boot floppy created as a result reported a successful BIOS upgrade > when the Toshiba was booted from it. > > Unfortunetly, the installation still fails at 51% of files copied, this time > while copying nbf.sys. If I <esc> to skip the file, then the same happens on > 52% ndis.sys and all subsequent files. > > The only other thing I can think of trying is to format the filesystem as > FAT32, although I can't really see why it would affect things ... sort of > desperation mode, I guess. Make sure the cd is clean. You may have better luck trying to install from a flat folder. Boot with a Windows 98 startup disk and try copying the 1386 folder to the hard drive, that entails of course that the drive will be formated FAT32. Make sure that you have smartdrv.exe on the W98 startup floppy. After you copy the i386 folder to the hard disk you can then start the Windows 2000 installation from MS-DOS by executing WINNT from the i386 folder on the hard disk. See here for typical instructions: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315349 The instructions are for XP but it's the same thing for Windows 2000. You can convert the file system to NTFS after the installation but make sure that the partition is aligned to a 4K boundary or else you will end up with 512 byte clusters. http://aumha.org/win5/a/ntfscvt.php John
Guest Sid Elbow Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: win2000 install problem h.stroph wrote: > The only other thing I can think of trying is to format the filesystem as > FAT32, although I can't really see why it would affect things ... sort of > desperation mode, I guess. I see John beat me to it on suggesting that, if you format FAT32 and still have the problem, then copy the install directory from the CD to the HD. If that copy process doesn't work then the problem is nothing to do with the install ... it indicates a hardware problem. On the other hand, if the copy works but the install from the HD still doesn't, you have a questionable set of installation files ... at least for this machine. Is the CD you are using an original CD or CDR copy? I vaguely recall having a similar problem once myself and finding that if I recopied the CD it solved the problem.
Guest h.stroph Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: win2000 install problem In news:ehVwQFowIHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl, John John (MVP) <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> typed: >> The only other thing I can think of trying is to format the >> filesystem as FAT32, although I can't really see why it would affect >> things ... sort of desperation mode, I guess. > > Make sure the cd is clean. Thank you. I verified that the optical surface of the CD is clean. > You may have better luck trying to install > from a flat folder. Boot with a Windows 98 startup disk and try > copying the 1386 folder to the hard drive, that entails of course > that the drive will be formated FAT32. Make sure that you have > smartdrv.exe on the W98 startup floppy. .... > See here for typical instructions: > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315349 Here's what's on the boot floppy (dir a: > junk.txt and copied/pasted here; the MAXLLF.EXE is the Maxtor low-level formatter that I placed on the floppy to wipe hard disks): Volume in drive A is BOOTABLE98 Volume Serial Number is 1EE5-2535 Directory of A:\ 04/23/1999 22:22 93,890 COMMAND.COM 04/23/1999 22:22 49,575 FORMAT.COM 04/23/1999 22:22 63,916 FDISK.EXE 04/23/1999 15:22 45,379 SMARTDRV.EXE 12/16/1996 11:34 64,888 MAXLLF.EXE 04/23/1999 22:22 3,878 xcopy.exe 04/23/1999 22:22 3,878 xcopy32.exe 04/23/1999 22:22 41,472 xcopy32.mod 8 File(s) 366,876 bytes 0 Dir(s) 797,696 bytes free I followed the instructions explicitly, but am unable to address the CD-ROM drive after running smartdrv; it only recognizes a:, b: (same drive as a:) and c:. A:\> smartdrv Microsoft SMARTDrive Disk Cache version 5.02 Copyright 1991,1993 Microsoft Corp. Cache size: 2,097,152 bytes Cache size while running Windows: 2,097,152 bytes Disk Caching Status drive read cache write cache buffering -------------------------------------------- A: yes no no B: yes no no C: yes yes no Write behind data will be committed before command prompt returns. For help, type "Smartdrv /?". =============== "dir d:" states "Invalid drive specification", so I won't be able to xcopy the I386 directory until I can address the CD-ROM drive containing the win2000 installation somehow. Additional suggestions are welcomed.
Guest John John (MVP) Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: win2000 install problem You need the CD-ROM drivers. Get a W98 bootdisk here: http://bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm Download the bootdisk file and execute it, it will create the bootdisk for you. John h.stroph wrote: > In news:ehVwQFowIHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl, > John John (MVP) <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> typed: > > >>>The only other thing I can think of trying is to format the >>>filesystem as FAT32, although I can't really see why it would affect >>>things ... sort of desperation mode, I guess. >> >>Make sure the cd is clean. > > > Thank you. I verified that the optical surface of the CD is clean. > > >>You may have better luck trying to install >>from a flat folder. Boot with a Windows 98 startup disk and try >>copying the 1386 folder to the hard drive, that entails of course >>that the drive will be formated FAT32. Make sure that you have >>smartdrv.exe on the W98 startup floppy. > > ... > >>See here for typical instructions: >>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315349 > > > Here's what's on the boot floppy (dir a: > junk.txt and copied/pasted here; > the MAXLLF.EXE is the Maxtor low-level formatter that I placed on the floppy > to wipe hard disks): > > Volume in drive A is BOOTABLE98 > Volume Serial Number is 1EE5-2535 > > Directory of A:\ > > 04/23/1999 22:22 93,890 COMMAND.COM > 04/23/1999 22:22 49,575 FORMAT.COM > 04/23/1999 22:22 63,916 FDISK.EXE > 04/23/1999 15:22 45,379 SMARTDRV.EXE > 12/16/1996 11:34 64,888 MAXLLF.EXE > 04/23/1999 22:22 3,878 xcopy.exe > 04/23/1999 22:22 3,878 xcopy32.exe > 04/23/1999 22:22 41,472 xcopy32.mod > 8 File(s) 366,876 bytes > 0 Dir(s) 797,696 bytes free > > I followed the instructions explicitly, but am unable to address the CD-ROM > drive after running smartdrv; it only recognizes a:, b: (same drive as a:) > and c:. > > A:\> smartdrv > Microsoft SMARTDrive Disk Cache version 5.02 > Copyright 1991,1993 Microsoft Corp. > > Cache size: 2,097,152 bytes > Cache size while running Windows: 2,097,152 bytes > > Disk Caching Status > drive read cache write cache buffering > -------------------------------------------- > A: yes no no > B: yes no no > C: yes yes no > Write behind data will be committed before command prompt returns. > For help, type "Smartdrv /?". > =============== > > "dir d:" states "Invalid drive specification", so I won't be able to xcopy > the I386 directory until I can address the CD-ROM drive containing the > win2000 installation somehow. > > Additional suggestions are welcomed. > > >
Guest h.stroph Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 Re: win2000 install problem In news:484065e9$0$12294$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com, Sid Elbow <here@there.com> typed: > I see John beat me to it on suggesting that, if you format FAT32 and > still have the problem, then copy the install directory from the CD to > the HD. > > If that copy process doesn't work then the problem is nothing to do > with the install ... it indicates a hardware problem. Thank you. I downloaded and created the the bootdisk image http://files.frashii.com/~bootdisk/tennessee/boot98c.exe as suggested, and booted into win98 then executed smartdrv.exe, which recognized the CD-ROM as "Drive R: = BANANA unit 0". The C: drive was previously formatted as FAT32. Following the xcopy instruction from http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315349 causes a successful copy until the filenames reach the seconf b* entry, at which it fails with the report of failing to access the BANANA drive while copying filename banana.an_, so then your assessment of a hardware problem comes into consideration. > Is the CD you are using an original CD or CDR copy? I vaguely recall > having a similar problem once myself and finding that if I recopied > the CD it solved the problem. It is a CDR copy from the original. Yesterday I got a free Dell 500MHz tower from Craigslist, and the win2000 CD installed flawlessly on it by way of testing, so I have confidence that the win2000 CD is still entirely functional. This raises the issue of whether the CD drive is the problem, but I was able to xcopy an entire CD of jpg photos to the C: drive with no problem whatsoever, and was also able to boot from 2 different live Linux CDs (Knoppix and Damn Small Linux, a Knoppix variant) and have a fully functional Linux OS on the Toshiba laptop. I have to conclude that the CD-ROM drive is only experiencing problems with the win2000 install for some strange reason. I wish now that I would have left the original win2000 installation on the laptop, but it was so highly customized to the original owner's needs that it was heavily laced with 3rd-party programs that couldn't be uninstalled without the network shares that it depended on. Next step will be to check if smartdrv.exe will recognize a USB 2.0 external HD, from which I'll copy the \i386 files from the installation CD to the C: drive on the laptop. If it can't see the USB drive then I'll copy the \i386 directory to a different CD and see if that can be copied from the laptop CD drive to the hard disk.
Guest Sid Elbow Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 Re: win2000 install problem h.stroph wrote: > It is a CDR copy from the original. Yesterday I got a free Dell 500MHz tower > from Craigslist, and the win2000 CD installed flawlessly on it by way of > testing, so I have confidence that the win2000 CD is still entirely > functional. Strictly, all that tells you is that the CD is functional with that particular CD-drive. If you have a weak burn in some spots on the CD, it's perfectly possible for it to be read on one drive but not another. And drives for laptops are engineered with different constraints than AC-powered machines, the major emphasis for laptop use being power consumption (reduction of it). Laptop drives are therefore likely to be more "fussy" about the quality of the CD. Doubtless they'll be fine with an original "pressed" CD but CD R's are weaker (harder to read) and you might have problems with a borderline copy.
Guest h.stroph Posted June 4, 2008 Posted June 4, 2008 Re: win2000 install problem In news:4845C39C.5080807@there.com, Sid Elbow <here@there.com> typed: > Doubtless they'll be > fine with an original "pressed" CD but CD R's are weaker (harder to > read) and you might have problems with a borderline copy. Is that a joke of some kind ... "pressed" CDs ... and "weaker (harder to read)"? It sounds like material for http://snopes.com
Guest Bob I Posted June 4, 2008 Posted June 4, 2008 Re: win2000 install problem h.stroph wrote: > In news:4845C39C.5080807@there.com, > Sid Elbow <here@there.com> typed: > > >>Doubtless they'll be >>fine with an original "pressed" CD but CD R's are weaker (harder to >>read) and you might have problems with a borderline copy. > > > Is that a joke of some kind ... "pressed" CDs ... and "weaker (harder to > read)"? It sounds like material for http://snopes.com > Or not, http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question287.htm
Guest Sid Elbow Posted June 4, 2008 Posted June 4, 2008 Re: win2000 install problem h.stroph wrote: > Is that a joke of some kind ... "pressed" CDs ... and "weaker (harder to > read)"? It sounds like material for http://snopes.com No joke. Could it be that there are some things that you don't know? Commercially-produced CD's are commonly referred to as "stamped" or "pressed" as opposed to CDR's which are "burned". They produce a stronger signal compared to CDR's which are "weaker". In any event, asking for help then ridiculing the response is counter-productive (really).
Guest Ben Myers Posted June 4, 2008 Posted June 4, 2008 Re: win2000 install problem "h.stroph" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:g240s3$47a$1@aioe.org... > In news:484065e9$0$12294$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com, > Thank you. I downloaded and created the the bootdisk image > http://files.frashii.com/~bootdisk/tennessee/boot98c.exe as suggested, and > booted into win98 then executed smartdrv.exe, which recognized the CD-ROM as > "Drive R: = BANANA unit 0". The C: drive was previously formatted as FAT32. > Following the xcopy instruction from http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315349 > causes a successful copy until the filenames reach the seconf b* entry, at > which it fails with the report of failing to access the BANANA drive while > copying filename banana.an_, so then your assessment of a hardware problem > comes into consideration. <snip> Put the boot floppy in the computer you are using now, open the "a:\autoexec.bat" file with Notepad and change the line containing "banana" to "MSCDEX.EXE /D:$CD$ /L:R". Then open "a:\config.sys" and change "DEVICE=cd1.SYS /D:banana" to "DEVICE=cd1.SYS /D:$CD$". Be sure to save the changes. Then start the laptop with the boot floppy and try xcopy again. Ben
Guest h.stroph Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 Re: win2000 install problem In news:eLDIjilxIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl, Ben Myers <benjmyers@mindR-e-m-o-v-Espring.com> typed: > ... open the "a:\autoexec.bat" file with Notepad and change the line > containing "banana" to "MSCDEX.EXE /D:$CD$ /L:R". Then > open "a:\config.sys" and change "DEVICE=cd1.SYS /D:banana" > to "DEVICE=cd1.SYS /D:$CD$". Be sure to save the changes. > Then start the laptop with the boot floppy and try xcopy again. A most excellent response, thank you. All \i386 files were successfully xcopy'd, and win2000 is now successfully installed on the Toshiba 305CDS laptop. Thanks to all who replied.
Guest John John (MVP) Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 Re: win2000 install problem Ben Myers wrote: > "h.stroph" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:g240s3$47a$1@aioe.org... > >>In news:484065e9$0$12294$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com, >>Thank you. I downloaded and created the the bootdisk image >>http://files.frashii.com/~bootdisk/tennessee/boot98c.exe as suggested, and >>booted into win98 then executed smartdrv.exe, which recognized the CD-ROM as >>"Drive R: = BANANA unit 0". The C: drive was previously formatted as FAT32. >>Following the xcopy instruction from http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315349 >>causes a successful copy until the filenames reach the seconf b* entry, at >>which it fails with the report of failing to access the BANANA drive while >>copying filename banana.an_, so then your assessment of a hardware problem >>comes into consideration. > > <snip> > > Put the boot floppy in the computer you are using now, open the "a:\autoexec.bat" > file with Notepad and change the line containing "banana" to > "MSCDEX.EXE /D:$CD$ /L:R". Then open "a:\config.sys" and change > "DEVICE=cd1.SYS /D:banana" to "DEVICE=cd1.SYS /D:$CD$". Be sure > to save the changes. Then start the laptop with the boot floppy and try xcopy > again. Very well done, Ben! John
Guest h.stroph Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 Re: win2000 install problem In news:%23uylx1vxIHA.2340@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl, John John (MVP) <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> typed: >> Put the boot floppy in the computer you are using now, open the >> "a:\autoexec.bat" file with Notepad and change the line containing >> "banana" to "MSCDEX.EXE /D:$CD$ /L:R". Then open >> "a:\config.sys" and change "DEVICE=cd1.SYS /D:banana" to >> "DEVICE=cd1.SYS /D:$CD$". Be sure >> to save the changes. Then start the laptop with the boot floppy and >> try xcopy again. > > Very well done, Ben! Yes indeed. I couldn't figure out what all the cutesy "banana" nonsense was on the boot floppy. Thanks again, Ben.
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